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Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

Martinez in or out?

  • In

  • Out

  • Getting splinters eating cheese on toast on the fence

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oldblue said:
Think that's what I said although I don't get the part where Martinez twisted his words as opposed to the press.
The Echo put into quotes 'there's no chemistry between the players now'. No context and no qualification. And easy enough to read anything into it. Which plenty did without reading what he actually said.
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Did they?

Who are these people? As I've not read them misconstruing what Baines said and meant.

Martinez has made a senior pro apologise for something that didn't warrant any form of apology, that's the crux of it mate.

I think you're allowing your staunch defence stance on Bobby to cloud your vision on this one personally.

For me his position as Everton manager is on the cusp of untenable. Very poor results for 2 seasons in the league, blaming everything from the fans to the media, and now wanging arguably the most popular player at the club unceremoniously under the bus.

I've been a match going Blue since the days of Gordon Lee, and in all my time I can only remember wanting Walker to go as much as I do this fella now. He's not the right man to take this club to where it wants to be, especially now, under the stewardship of a man who can actually back the club financially. His wretched self absorbed 'philosophy' will ensure that we never attain the level of consistency we need in order to compete with the leading pack in this league. He's brought some positives in his time here, but overall he's failed to deliver and it's a results business.

He's lost 70% of the fanbase and yesterday imo will have ensured that he's now lost (if he hadn't already) a chunk of the dressing room. He's a dead man walking.
 
oldblue said:
No. Their headline and their initial quote had 'no chemistry'. Nothing to imply it was just on the pitch and none of the subdued language 'the chemistry is not quite there' implies it's not far off and achievable.
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Don't forget the end of the quote "and hasn't been for a while"

Implies it's obvious to the players for a while but nothing has improved
 
kithnou said:
It's not really the issue though is it for most of us?
Our problem is his treatment of Baines, yet he gushes like BK over Lukaku's even more damaging comments the second he flies out of the country for international duty.
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Different matter though. He hasn't criticised Baines contribution to the team.
And as far as I remember he said nobody was bigger than the club with regards to Rom.
 
The article in today's Independent (sorry, can't link it) suggests there is a lot of unrest in the camp. Hints at players regularly being punished for speaking to the press and not taking too kindly to it.

The whole thing's turning ugly now. I've always been certain that he'll see out the season but i'm honestly not sure now, this has the feel of crunch time, and I don't know if he'll even make it to the semi if the next 2 results aren't good.
 

Foot Long Hot Dog said:
For me his position as Everton manager is on the cusp of untenable. Very poor results for 2 seasons in the league, blaming everything from the fans to the media, and now wanging arguably the most popular player at the club unceremoniously under the bus.
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Few of my mates who where very much in the Martinez in camp text me yesterday after that press conference and basically said the above, which is how i feel.
 
oldblue said:
Why do you keep showing me the quote. I know it. And agree with it.
It's different in words, tone and possible implication from 'No chemistry between players' which is what many read. Baines chose to apologise for how it was used. No need to but he's an adult who likes to take responsibility
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You keep taking issue with the headline when the issue is Martinez claiming Baines was misquoted which he obviously wasn't

Deflection 101
 
oldblue said:
Different matter though. He hasn't criticised Baines contribution to the team.
And as far as I remember he said nobody was bigger than the club with regards to Rom.
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Mate forgive me if i am wrong, but havent you said that your last stated position on yes or no with martinez was being on the fence?
 

davek said:
No one who backs him are wearing any *mask* of delight. It's a realistic assessment that he's a talented manager who can do a great job for us.

And no one is expecting you to wear a mask of any description: just remain at worst neutral and let him persuade you or otherwise with results and performances.

To listen to some you'd think we just hired the manager of Marine rather than a man with more trophies than the boring plant pot who Man Utd have just made the worst error of judgement in their history about.
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'When the facts change, I change my mind'. John Maynard Keynes
 
Foot Long Hot Dog said:
Did they?

Who are these people? As I've not read them misconstruing what Baines said and meant.

Martinez has made a senior pro apologise for something that didn't warrant any form of apology, that's the crux of it mate.

I think you're allowing your staunch defence stance on Bobby to cloud your vision on this one personally.

For me his position as Everton manager is on the cusp of untenable. Very poor results for 2 seasons in the league, blaming everything from the fans to the media, and now wanging arguably the most popular player at the club unceremoniously under the bus.

I've been a match going Blue since the days of Gordon Lee, and in all my time I can only remember wanting Walker to go as much as I do this fella now. He's not the right man to take this club to where it wants to be, especially now, under the stewardship of a man who can actually back the club financially. His wretched self absorbed 'philosophy' will ensure that we never attain the level of consistency we need in order to compete with the leading pack in this league. He's brought some positives in his time here, but overall he's failed to deliver and it's a results business.

He's lost 70% of the fanbase and yesterday imo will have ensured that he's now lost (if he hadn't already) a chunk of the dressing room. He's a dead man walking.
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I've read Baines quotes agreed with them but didn't take them as any rift between the players. I read plenty of papers and supporters implying it might.
Up to you what you think of the manager. I just don't personally think there's any problem between him and Baines based on yesterday.
 

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