Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[USABlue]

I think there's a fair few on both sides of the poll of Rawk lids piling in, I reckon. But mostly on the Ins, like we were with the last days of Brenda. Best chance of ruining us short and long term is to keep Martinez.

How would that affect anything? This poll will have absolutely no impact on the decision of Martinez staying or going. Don't get me wrong it's good for us fans to see where fellow blues stand on the issues, just don't think polls have much of an impact outside of here.

It's not as if Martinez is going to be shoved into the center circle at Goodison while the crowd chants their opinion, waiting to see Moshiri's reaction such as

 

[bluewally]

Players not arsed with the league.... "I am not able to transmit the ambition to play the matches in the Premier League"

As I said earlier in the thread, think our players have got the flip-flops on for the league. There reaches a point when there's ultimately bigger fish to fry.

In our case if the players really are on the managers side surely they will be just as focussed on the league to try and help take the pressure off him and to prevent the FA cup being all or nothing for him

 

[Thomasc]

This is getting ridiculous now, he is tearing the club apart. The idiot has lost any goodwill he earned in his first season. He needs to be potted ASAP so the football club can get back to its business without his pathetic blagging and Rodgers style BS.

Never wanted an Everton manager out this bad, and I wanted him in before he came from Wigan. He is a complete joke of a manager.

 

[Eric Djemba-Djemba]

Over 70% now.

OUT

 

[oldblue]

@oldblue what was your opinion on the press conference?

Load of fuss over nothing.
If you look at the substance there's not much difference between what he said and what most others say about the current situation. An exciting squad that needs to look more like a team.
Problem is that Martinez is supposed to come up with soundbite answers to the problem when he knows there isn't one. Other managers do that a lot better. But not sure if that's what we should be judging on.
Bored of the Baines stuff as I think the spin put on it won't pan out. I think what Baines said was spot on and made it clear it was a collective thing to make this happen. He didn't say they don't get on off the pitch or there are any rifts.
The tone of the reporting was very different and for that reason it ended up as an issue at the press conference. Not made one by Martinez. It maybe could have been stonewalled and then I'm sure we'd have had all sorts of conjecture. His wording wasn't great but if Leighton apologised he obviously felt responsible for how the press used what he said. No blame on him for me and really only a suggestion from the manager that he needs to be more careful. And I think he was only using that as a way of sniping at the press. Not ideal but not a sign of any rift between him and the player who have dealt with it like adults in my opinion.

 

[D410]

Load of fuss over nothing.
If you look at the substance there's not much difference between what he said and what most others say about the current situation. An exciting squad that needs to look more like a team.
Problem is that Martinez is supposed to come up with soundbite answers to the problem when he knows there isn't one. Other managers do that a lot better. But not sure if that's what we should be judging on.
Bored of the Baines stuff as I think the spin put on it won't pan out. I think what Baines said was spot on and made it clear it was a collective thing to make this happen. He didn't say they don't get on off the pitch or there are any rifts.
The tone of the reporting was very different and for that reason it ended up as an issue at the press conference. Not made one by Martinez. It maybe could have been stonewalled and then I'm sure we'd have had all sorts of conjecture. His wording wasn't great but if Leighton apologised he obviously felt responsible for how the press used what he said. No blame on him for me and really only a suggestion from the manager that he needs to be more careful. And I think he was only using that as a way of sniping at the press. Not ideal but not a sign of any rift between him and the player who have dealt with it like adults in my opinion.

I,d like to hear Baines side of this apology allegedly gave which brown shoes felt he needed to tell the press over and over again.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

Seem to have missed the fun on here yesterday with being down in the big smoke. though i did catch parts of the presser. I am really struggling to listen to the man anymore, i turned it off and just shake my head. He is defo trolling us in these interviews.

The baines stuff is just all wrong, there was no misquote, maybe baines didnt "mean" for it to be printed but still - no misquote he said what he said. I don't think that anyone would really argue with it to be honest.

Feel like everything is starting to feel like a final act from Martinez.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Load of fuss over nothing.
If you look at the substance there's not much difference between what he said and what most others say about the current situation. An exciting squad that needs to look more like a team.
Problem is that Martinez is supposed to come up with soundbite answers to the problem when he knows there isn't one. Other managers do that a lot better. But not sure if that's what we should be judging on.
Bored of the Baines stuff as I think the spin put on it won't pan out. I think what Baines said was spot on and made it clear it was a collective thing to make this happen. He didn't say they don't get on off the pitch or there are any rifts.
The tone of the reporting was very different and for that reason it ended up as an issue at the press conference. Not made one by Martinez. It maybe could have been stonewalled and then I'm sure we'd have had all sorts of conjecture. His wording wasn't great but if Leighton apologised he obviously felt responsible for how the press used what he said. No blame on him for me and really only a suggestion from the manager that he needs to be more careful. And I think he was only using that as a way of sniping at the press. Not ideal but not a sign of any rift between him and the player who have dealt with it like adults in my opinion.

Baines comments never hinted at there being an issue with the players off the pitch.

He was talking about the on pitch chemistry and he was bang right

Martinez has chosen to take those words out of context HIMSELF and add a connotation that simply wasn't there, as if that was the intimation then it says he's lost the dressing room. It came across as blind panic and full self preservation mode.

He'd have been better served passing comment on what Baines actually said, and agreeing with him, whilst saying he needs to sort it.

Instead he threw one of the most respected senior Pro's at the club under the bus and said he'd had to apologise to him. Which must have been demeaning to Baines, as he's not one who shoots his mouth off, he was just giving an honest assessment of our current situation.

What effect this will have on the dressing room only the players know, but I can't see it having a positive impact, can you?

 

[smileychap]

We also have Lukaku and not a Vardy type. Lukaku isn't ever fitting into a style of play where he's the first line of defence. That's just a trade off you make when you buy a player like Lukaku and play to his strengths.

Overall, I do think we like to bring teams onto us and hit hard in the spaces they leave in behind themselves. It's pretty much like coiling a spring back and then letting it go when the opposition breaks down. We favour that over pressing high up the pitch. And to be fair, we have the sort of players that work that system as well as any team can. It's one of the reasons we'll batter West Ham at Wembley if we play them. On that pitch we'll cause a lot of damage.

Ah, of course... Goodison Park pitch is the reason we struggle under Martinez.

I thought it was lack of defence, dubious tactics and poor fitness.

 

[oldblue]

Baines comments never hinted at there being an issue with the players off the pitch.

He was talking about the on pitch chemistry and he was bang right

Martinez has chosen to take those words out of context HIMSELF and add a connotation that simply wasn't there,

Think that's what I said although I don't get the part where Martinez twisted his words as opposed to the press.
The Echo put into quotes 'there's no chemistry between the players now'. No context and no qualification. And easy enough to read anything into it. Which plenty did without reading what he actually said.

 

[oldblue]

I,d like to hear Baines side of this apology allegedly gave which brown shoes felt he needed to tell the press over and over again.

Why do you want a professional footballer in the spotlight in that way rather than just playing without pressure.
Baines may not have been happy over the Man u rumours but kept his own counsel and didn't fall out off the pitch with people. This is probably nothing to him compared to that.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

Think that's what I said although I don't get the part where Martinez twisted his words as opposed to the press.
The Echo put into quotes 'there's no chemistry between the players now'. No context and no qualification. And easy enough to read anything into it. Which plenty did without reading what he actually said.

“I just don't feel as though the chemistry is quite there with the team on the pitch at the moment, and it hasn't been for a while,” he said.

That was Baines direct quote - i don't see how thats been misinterpreted. their headline was a slight tweak “Chemistry not there – and hasn't been for a while.”.

Direct quotes from a player - I don't see how that can be disputed to be honest, maybe baines didnt want it to come out... but he did say it.

 

[oldblue]

“I just don't feel as though the chemistry is quite there with the team on the pitch at the moment, and it hasn't been for a while,” he said.

That was Baines direct quote - i don't see how thats been misinterpreted. their headline was a slight tweak “Chemistry not there – and hasn't been for a while.”.

Direct quotes from a player - I don't see how that can be disputed to be honest, maybe baines didnt want it to come out... but he did say it.

No. Their headline and their initial quote had 'no chemistry'. Nothing to imply it was just on the pitch and none of the subdued language 'the chemistry is not quite there' implies it's not far off and achievable.

 

[toffee matt]

off to work now, when I get home I expect someone from that boardroom to have made a decision and issue Martinez with his P45, big Dunc and Sheeds caretakers until the end of the season. Baines captain for the day tomorrow, Lukaku on the bench, if he doesnt want to play, he can watch

Bet you everything I own this doesn't happen

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

No. There headline and their initial quote had 'no chemistry'. Nothing to imply it was just on the pitch and none of the subdued language 'the chemistry is not quite there' implies it's not far off and achievable.

Direct quote from Baines... where he clearly states on the pitch, albeit not just on the pitch.

“I just don’t feel as though the chemistry is quite there with the team on the pitch at the moment, and it hasn’t been for a while.

End of the day, Baines has said this, the headline in the echo article might have been a bit different, but Baines has said these words - reading what he said there is no way they have misinterpreted it unless the put their own words in his direct quotes.

Why he should apologies for something which looks to be true is beyond me.