bluewally
Player Valuation: £8m
You're not on the fence. No one on the fence would be so obviously pro Martinez.
You take issue with anyone who criticises him. Like posts in favour of him and create hypothetical scenarios to defend him
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Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)
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You're not on the fence. No one on the fence would be so obviously pro Martinez.
You take issue with anyone who criticises him. Like posts in favour of him and create hypothetical scenarios to defend him
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
How come every single one of your posts which is made to counter someone of a firm opinion of Martinez made against those who want him out and never against any poster who supports him then?
One would think over the last month say you would have made a neagative post in counter to say @davek , @Zatara , @mythbuster or any of the othe remaining staunch defenders of Martinez?
Foot Long Hot Dog
Player Valuation: A packet of pork scratchings
How can you conclude that episode won't have left Baines feeling aggrieved?
Players speaks truth, manager sees his arse and panics that the intimation is that the dressing room has been lost, bollocks player and forces him to apologise. Then proceeds to humiliate the player to the media by telling the tale of said apology.
Sounds ideal that mate, I can't think for one minute that it'll have a negative impact lol. I'm sure Bainesy just took it on the chin and said fair enough gaffer.....
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
This 100%
bluewally
Player Valuation: £8m
Exactly. Baines arrives into work and the thought police are telling him he didn't mean what he said
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
Here's where i think Baines won't feel aggreived much myself mate, for a few big reasons, 1. I think any apology he would have issued would have ben 'errr yeah boss, sure im dead sorry like' - which Martinez would nod and think was him cap in hand begging forgiveness whilst baines walked away thinking 'what a utter whopper', 2. I honestly think Baines will have had a fair few players coming voer and privately saying 'spot on lad' to him, 3. The press are smashing Martinez and the fnas have shown how mcuh they support and love Baines over this matter - that will mean 1000% more to him than what a Manager in his dying throws does now
Or maybe at the moment saying I'm not sure he's right for the future but he's brought positives to the club and I'd give him more time is not what you want to hear.
I've generally agreed with what I see as reasonable criticism. And in posts now I've said he's not great at press conferences.
If you see this as blinded then that's up to you, but to be honest just sounds like you want to dismiss opinions by placing them in a convenient box.
Imagine you've been asked to talk about your workplace. You've done so in a considered and reasonable way. Then you hear what you said quoted out of context in a way that may upset some of the people you work with. You are asked to clarify them by your boss.
Who are you most unhappy with?
Foot Long Hot Dog
Player Valuation: A packet of pork scratchings
But it wasn't taken out of context, the only person who's reached that conclusion was Martinez.
His words were quoted verbatim and it was obvious to a blind man what he meant and that it was true!
You're making it sound like the media have somehow twisted his words and left Baines hung out to dry, that simply isn't the case
granter79
Player Valuation: £35m
The lack of ambition from our own fans in this thread is beyond laughable. I supported the manager up until a few months ago but how can people still be happy with this utter farce at the moment. Fact we are in a position now to push on with the new owner and people still want to go out of their way to defend this rubbish from the manager.
Need to put the phone or laptop down for the weekend and have a look at yourselves. Dread to think what crap wel be writing in November of this year when we are still in the bottom half of the league with this fella in charge.
Need to put the phone or laptop down for the weekend and have a look at yourselves. Dread to think what crap wel be writing in November of this year when we are still in the bottom half of the league with this fella in charge.
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
But when every post that gives an opinion you make is an attempt to disprove peoples arguments for wanting him out then you're not on the fence you are in fact pro Martinez
In a thread called Martinez in/out then yeah being frank people are placed in convenient boxes - thats the entire purpose of the thread isn't it?
Show me one post you have made in counter and critical to any pro martinez posters views and maybe i'd give you an apology about it, but right now you're one of the biggest Martinez supporters trying to look on the surface as if yur positing from a balanced and neutral standpoint - which you are plainly not
It's like me saying i was neutral with the Board last year when every post i made on the subject was critical of those that supported Kenwright etc
The only person who has told the public that Baines has been misquoted or that the player's comments were taken out of context is Martinez.
Again, the only person who has told us that Baines has apologised for the above is Martinez. We've not heard one iota from Baines himself!
Well, apart from the original comments which have now been so incorrectly perceived by the press and by multitude of fans according to Martinez.
As I've said before, if the press were wrong then why not allow Baines to clarify this himself? For it is he who has been tarnished if it is true.
Yes he may be shy or may he feel uncomfortable in the spotlight, but arguably his original comments have induced this affair so why not resolve it?
Instead, for many this seems to be an act of censure because Baines was truthful and honest in his original comments.
Can you admit that such a scenario is at least possible if not the more likely one? It may not be correct I admit, but it seems more plausible.
chazzle_dazzle
Player Valuation: £35m
Seems like a lot of the media (even prior to Baines' comments) are looking at Everton more and more. Bits in bold couldn't be truer.
From ESPN
"That bold statement has caused ructions at Goodison, with Thursday seeing Martinez reveal that a "chat" with Baines had led to the left-back apologizing to players and staff for putting "himself in a position where he has given the wrong words." The problem for Martinez is that for many Evertonians, Baines' words rang far truer than any of the manager's explanations."
"Meanwhile, Martinez's checklist of postmatch comments does not appear to vary, whatever the result. He is always "proud," his players are "phenomenal," the team shows "good character," despite often glaring evidence to the contrary. Many fans have given up listening to him."
http://www.espnfc.co.uk/barclays-pr...ez-needs-reality-check-about-evertons-failing
From ESPN
"That bold statement has caused ructions at Goodison, with Thursday seeing Martinez reveal that a "chat" with Baines had led to the left-back apologizing to players and staff for putting "himself in a position where he has given the wrong words." The problem for Martinez is that for many Evertonians, Baines' words rang far truer than any of the manager's explanations."
"Meanwhile, Martinez's checklist of postmatch comments does not appear to vary, whatever the result. He is always "proud," his players are "phenomenal," the team shows "good character," despite often glaring evidence to the contrary. Many fans have given up listening to him."
http://www.espnfc.co.uk/barclays-pr...ez-needs-reality-check-about-evertons-failing
Wow. Nobody told me. Apologies
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