Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

Martinez in or out?

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mkrudden said:
I think his first season showed what he can do with a defence at the top of its game.
Sure, he was lucky that Howard, Distin, Jagielka, Baines and Coleman stayed injury free and were playing top stuff, but I think that's what you have to accept with Martinez. He needs a set of players throughout the spine who know exactly what they are doing and are playing well/injury free. It then gives the rest of the team licence to excite.

Look at what happened after that first season:

Howard - cliff, fell off
Distin - see Howard
Baines/Coleman/Ovideo - Poor fitness/injury record
McCarthy - hasn't kicked on
Barry - nearly died from all the games last season
Atsu - what is it?

I think too many things happened last season that would have been difficult to predict. Your in the summer before last season started having seen that team play like that and you surely can concede that it would be reasonable to think "right, get Lukaku in with the money we have and let's go again". It didnt, and he has no cash to do anything about it and, in his words, he spends it all on Lukaku.

At the beginning of this season he has got to find:

A right winger
A right back
A goalkeeper
A CB
A CM
A left winger

And guess what? He's got no money. If he did, he would have spent it. And I don't mean zero pounds, I mean he has no money to buy proven replacements, so he reverts to youth/cheap options:

Lennon - £4.5million is, in this era, a steal
Deulofeu - £3.3 million wasnt it? or something outrageous?
Funes Mori - 9.5mil because, reportedly, CP wanted £15mil for Dann
Clev - Free and can play a variety of positions


So he spreads his small 'fortune' on as many players as he can. I think he brought Lennon in because he knew Deulofeu would falter - as he did.

Who else? Matty Foulds? Shani Tara-whatever? (Niasse to follow) I may have missed someone but I am rushing!

I understand Niasse is used as a negative. I dont understand it but I dont believe we spent 13.5 million up front on him. As people have said, 13.5 is an outrageous amount of money which leads me to believe if we had spent that amount of money, he would have to play him. He's under no pressure to so at the very least it's staged payments with add-ons. Just my opinion anyway.

In my opinion, we have spent NOTHING which warrants the clamour for top 7. So for his money, what have we had. Inconsistency - without a doubt BUT:

At times we have played scintillating football that hasnt been seen at our beloved GP in years. It hasnt been often enough, granted, but we've seen glimmers of what he wants - fast, possession based and counter-attacking football. If he has the cash to bring in players at the back through the spine who can keep us solid when we are under the cosh, then the benefits are there to see.

I think its irrefutable that with:

A top GK
A top CB
A top CM
A top LM

All with PL experience and/or league winning experience that we wouldnt be challenging that top 7.

Do I think he should be given the opportunity to bring those players in? Yes
Do I think he will? No
Do I think he can have any complaints? Very few
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I think the problem with this is that you're almost saying we need players in every position who are so good that the manager becomes irrelevant. I don't think that will ever be the case.

Teams get hit by issues in football all the time. Injuries, star players leave or lose form etc. Good managers absorb these. For Martinez though everything seemingly has to be perfect for him to be even half capable. If one player is out then the whole thing falls down, and he needs a squad of 22 top quality players (something no one else in the league has).

I think it's a shame because there were times in the first season I thought he was onto something. But he has to be a manager not just someone who spells out what he would like to happen. I've no doubt Roberto can see what he wants to do but he doesn't have the skills to take the players with him to implement it.

I have always thought he would make a cracking director of football.
 
roydo said:
Bloody horrible this.

I want the bloke gone, but have no desire to see an intrinsictly decent man humiliated at the weekend. Which is very likely to happen.
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He could always resign, If he was such a decent man. He'll still leave a multi millionaire, but no he's hanging around waiting for a huge pay out, whilst 1000's of Evertonians the country over are completely fed up. Maybe he isn't that nicer man.
 

DrEFC said:
I think you've missed a glaring 28m hole where Lukaku was bought, and you cant casually glaze over 14mill on Niasse, upfront or staggered it looks a terrible, terrible deal. Kone.. 6mill.. oh well, he was badly injured after being an absolute state for the matches he missed sitter after sitter. Mori may well come good, he's a international CB tbf.
Bobby's had 1 good defensive year in his whole premiership tenure. Which was a Moyes drilled-unit, from which he told both fullbacks to get into the box, gambling a load of men forward- this has been completely found out and we've been piss poor at home, and conceed regularly via being countered.
The bolded bit isn't irrefutable as he's had quality players in most positions (bar LM/GK) that had achieved >top 7 and regular euro footy.
Fast football.. christ! Haven't seen any of that. We need quality additions, but more importantly, a quality manager first.
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He stockpiled the money for Lukaku and spent his entire kitty, or at least the vast majority of it on him. I'm sure I said that in my novel earlier?

Yeah I'll take the one about Oumar. Bad signing, even simply from a fitness POV. Think I've said that too.

You may point to his Wigan record but I don't think its a good comparison. It's Wigan for Christ sake. They had Gary Caldwell and Bramble at CB.
Sure he could have made them more solid, would they have won the FA Cup? I very much doubt it.

In Moyes last season, werent we playing Neville and Osman CM? With Fellaini behind the striker? Jelavic or Anichebe up front?
Genuine question- who are these top 7 players he was left with at CM?
Moyes left a very good GK and back 4, a third of which fell off a cliff form wise after a season. Baines and Coleman have struggled for fitness ever since the end of season one under RM.
 
roydo said:
Bloody horrible this.

I want the bloke gone, but have no desire to see an intrinsictly decent man humiliated at the weekend. Which is very likely to happen.
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It's a similar situation we had when Howard was clearly not up to it, and Roberto didn't bench him. It's not his call whether or not he gets to continue his job. I fully believe he's doing his best. His best just isn't good enough. Not his fault he's still here.
 

ianefc said:
He could always resign, If he was such a decent man. He'll still leave a multi millionaire, but no he's hanging around waiting for a huge pay out, whilst 1000's of Evertonians the country over are completely fed up. Maybe he isn't that nicer man.
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He could.
 
Allezfan said:
Bournemouth are on the beach mate. I doubt they even know who they've got next, let alone care about it.
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We'll if they're on the beach, then we're already putting the bucket and spades away so the lads can conga down to the local night spot.

Second half performance on Saturday was great, however I'm not expecting anything near that on Saturday @roydo if Martinez is still there.

The season is over now so we're only playing for pride, and unfortunately we've not shown much of that in the last few months.
 

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