Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[Brownie86]

The new feller has put Kenwright in charge of football affairs. It'd be unbelievable to think that he'd do that and then go over his head. It'd undermine Kenwright and make him look a fool. My guess is that Martinez will be in the same position start of next season as he was at the start of this season: looking to make a decent start or facing a review before the first international break in the Autumn. Anyone thinking there'll be a change before that are in a fantasy land of their own making.

West Ham: 10 professional footballers on the pitch reach 12 minutes from time with a 2-0 lead that the manager has been the architect of...then those players buckle under thir own cowardice to see the game out. That's what I saw. Did you read that tool Jagielka's post match comments mate? He said words to the effect that when they were pegged back to 2-1 'we knew we were in trouble'. 2-1 up at home with minutes to see out the game and that feller is shrinking like a violet and wanting the game to end instead of redoubling his resolve and those around him.

Captain my arse. Get shut and get a leader or two in. <<<<<<That is our problem and the source of our solution.

Didnt Martinez bring on Niasse when we were 2-0 up instead of a defensive player to see out the game?

For me, it's all bloody lovely to score 2-3 goals a game but if you neglect your defensive responsibilities like Martinez does game after game, and never learns from it, we arent going anywhere as a club.

If Kenwright will be in charge, I agree that Martinez will be here for a while yet though, sadly.

 

[bluestevon]

When has Mourinho admitted to mistakes? And again why should Martinez explain every decision. It's clearly not the main talking point in the media. And if he was explaining decisions do you honestly think it make a difference to those who rightly or wrongly have made their minds up.

after the loss against palace
"I blame myself not to change one of them, because I kept him in the game for 90 minutes," Mourinho said after a 2-1 defeat to Palace that also marked what is just his second league defeat at Stamford Bridge; it also came on the occasion of his 100th league game there.


after the loss to Basel
"It's not the kind of game where I'm very upset with the players because I think I get it: I understood. Maybe I should have made more changes from Saturday, but when the team's played so well, you want to give them more confidence, you want them to keep that going. But I could see many signs of fatigue. I'd spoken with all of the players individually before I made the team decision, and all of them had told me they were perfect to play. They wanted to play. They'd recovered well from the international week and Saturday, but the reality is they weren't. In positions where I had other solutions, probably I should have changed the team. Today is a day when I'm disappointed, not upset with the players."

 

[eddy]

I think the press are on to this as from today, it will gather pace similar to Mclaren. Will be an interesting watch really, as to if they
leave things until the end of the season, or show a ruthless side and can him now. For me it is a statement of intent from the new owner as to what happens.

 

[malcson]

IF we are to sack Martinez, we need to do it soonish before the end of the season. We're not in relegation scenario so it would give a new manager time to assess the squad in readiness for the summer. If the club were considering his removal it would be sensible to see what happens in the FA Cup before taking action to limit any unsettling of the side effecting progress here. Once we see out that run then I would look to replace Martinez ASAP - his defensive failings as a coach are too persistent to be attributed to a dip in form or being 'unlucky'.

IMO the only thing keeping Martinez in his job presently is the hope that he will bring us cup success (as he did for Wigan).

 

[oldblue]

Disagree mate. Keep hitting 72 points and you WILL get CL footy. Keep hitting 5th and you'll get a pat on the head.

Twas ever thus.

Accept this won't sound popular but we also do need to look at goal difference when looking for improvement. You don't win anything with it obviously but it's nearly always a good indicator of how well a team is actually playing.

 

[willo30]

I think the press are on to this as from today, it will gather pace similar to Mclaren. Will be an interesting watch really, as to if they
leave things until the end of the season, or show a ruthless side and can him now. For me it is a statement of intent from the new owner as to what happens.

I've noticed that as well today but I'm not sure they actually believe it or they are just trying to unsettle us before Saturday. Strange that it's taken getting beat by a decent side and not by dross like Swansea and WBA.

 

[oldblue]

after the loss against palace
"I blame myself not to change one of them, because I kept him in the game for 90 minutes," Mourinho said after a 2-1 defeat to Palace that also marked what is just his second league defeat at Stamford Bridge; it also came on the occasion of his 100th league game there.


after the loss to Basel
"It's not the kind of game where I'm very upset with the players because I think I get it: I understood. Maybe I should have made more changes from Saturday, but when the team's played so well, you want to give them more confidence, you want them to keep that going. But I could see many signs of fatigue. I'd spoken with all of the players individually before I made the team decision, and all of them had told me they were perfect to play. They wanted to play. They'd recovered well from the international week and Saturday, but the reality is they weren't. In positions where I had other solutions, probably I should have changed the team. Today is a day when I'm disappointed, not upset with the players."

That's him taking responsibility? I'm really not gonna dig out the constant arrogance, snide comments about players, refusal to accept his behaviour was in any way wrong over his position with his physio.

 

[Ashtonian]

The new feller has put Kenwright in charge of football affairs. It'd be unbelievable to think that he'd do that and then go over his head. It'd undermine Kenwright and make him look a fool. My guess is that Martinez will be in the same position start of next season as he was at the start of this season: looking to make a decent start or facing a review before the first international break in the Autumn. Anyone thinking there'll be a change before that are in a fantasy land of their own making.

West Ham: 10 professional footballers on the pitch reach 12 minutes from time with a 2-0 lead that the manager has been the architect of...then those players buckle under thir own cowardice to see the game out. That's what I saw. Did you read that tool Jagielka's post match comments mate? He said words to the effect that when they were pegged back to 2-1 'we knew we were in trouble'. 2-1 up at home with minutes to see out the game and that feller is shrinking like a violet and wanting the game to end instead of redoubling his resolve and those around him.

Captain my arse. Get shut and get a leader or two in. <<<<<<That is our problem and the source of our solution.

As always you show what is wrong with everton football club at times. It was the captains fault, it was the players fault, anyone but the managers fault.

This is why Moyes stayed here for 11 years, no-one would actually have the balls to question him.

You are running in smaller and smaller crowds currently mate, your arguments are getting more and more thin on the ground when everything you say is getting proven wrong. 60 points not long ago? Need to win the majority of our games to do that, haven't done that for 2 years though. Again you blame the captain, same captain/defence that under moyes were one of the best in the league.

It might be falling on deaf ears, but if you think Martinez is not only the right man for the job but the best person to be here then i worry you are just hoping we fail. Everything he did wrong at Wigan is coming true here, literally go back and read the opinions of wigan fans, they even predicted our league finishes FFS! Nothing has changed in years, and bar winning the FA cup (which harry redkanpp did in the same circumstances) he has done nothing in his managerial career to warant anything to still be here next season.

I worry that your belief will keep him in a job, and when we lose 20 goals a season in rom for example, it will be harder to watch us knowing full well it is naive belief from the likes of yourself that is what is ruining the club.

 

[TheHumbleEgg]

Best to remember it mate before Big Brother has one of his drones erase it from history.

Never happen mate, as long as you're fit & well Dave we'll always have the 72....

 

[bluestevon]

The new feller has put Kenwright in charge of football affairs. It'd be unbelievable to think that he'd do that and then go over his head. It'd undermine Kenwright and make him look a fool. My guess is that Martinez will be in the same position start of next season as he was at the start of this season: looking to make a decent start or facing a review before the first international break in the Autumn. Anyone thinking there'll be a change before that are in a fantasy land of their own making.

West Ham: 10 professional footballers on the pitch reach 12 minutes from time with a 2-0 lead that the manager has been the architect of...then those players buckle under thir own cowardice to see the game out. That's what I saw. Did you read that tool Jagielka's post match comments mate? He said words to the effect that when they were pegged back to 2-1 'we knew we were in trouble'. 2-1 up at home with minutes to see out the game and that feller is shrinking like a violet and wanting the game to end instead of redoubling his resolve and those around him.

Captain my arse. Get shut and get a leader or two in. <<<<<<That is our problem and the source of our solution.

So the answer is you don't blame martinez then Dave? down to 10 men for over half the game he decides to alter the team shape with 15 minutes to go to bring on a second striker and narrow our midfield which then allowed West Ham to lump ball after ball into the box, but as a manager he is blameless for that?

Has the new fellow put Kenwright in charge of football affairs mate? care to show the proof of that - or anything reputable that shows he has?

Yup i did read Jagielkas post match comments mate, i also read martinez when he threw Rom under the bus with a sideways swipe at the crowd thrown in - entire ground got deflated and we all got a little bit shocked at that moment that was the key moment - must have been watching a different game as the crowd didn't change after the pen miss one bit they changed after the braindead sub was made and we conceded and it changed because we all knew what was coming because we've seen it all before, he also points out we all got mentally deflated after those two actions - the missed pen and roms missed chance - no mention of his atrpocious sub ofc.
Also he made sure to get in that Lennon - HAD to come off as he had nothing left and could barely walk after - strange that he looked shocked to be subbed as did those players around him, also strange that he jogged off the pitch rather than hobble, utter bs merchant is Martinez mate - hope to god you manage to see it before too late

Agree with you that we need to get shut and get a leader or two in - can i suggest that first one out the door should be the overall leader in Martinez, he sets the tone, he is not a winner and

 

[bluestevon]

That's him taking responsibility? I'm really not gonna dig out the constant arrogance, snide comments about players, refusal to accept his behaviour was in any way wrong over his position with his physio.

It's a lot more responsibility than Martinez has ever taken though isn't it lol

 

[Groucho]

Disagree mate. Keep hitting 72 points and you WILL get CL footy. Keep hitting 5th and you'll get a pat on the head.

Twas ever thus.

I do see your point, but I just can't help thinking we're flogging a dead horse with Roberto, although I agree he'll probably still be in charge come August.

Don't get me wrong I'd love him to succeed here, but realistically, getting my crystal ball out, I just can't see it, personally.

 

[Thomasc]

Disagree mate. Keep hitting 72 points and you WILL get CL footy. Keep hitting 5th and you'll get a pat on the head.

Twas ever thus.

Keep hitting mid table and losing at home and you will get a P45.

 

[oldblue]

It's a lot more responsibility than Martinez has ever taken though isn't it lol

Well I'm not going to look through years of quotes from the two of them but my guts tell me that Mourinho would now be making snide comments about Mirallas and claiming that the media and officials hate us. You really think he'd be talking about one substitution?

 

[bluestevon]

I do see your point, but I just can't hell thinking we're clogging a dead horse with Roberto, although I agree he'll probably still be in charge come August.

Don't get me wrong I'd love him to succeed here, but realistically, getting my crystal ball out, I just can't see it, personally.

I've seen Kendall fail twice here mate, i saw Harvey fail, i saw Royle forced to leave, on the grand scale of things yeah Martinez is a ncie and soemtimes likeable guy, but it hurt a lot more seeign the aformentioned trio fail and leave than it will do this bloke