Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)
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bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
No he doesn't mate, maybe if one time he had held his hands up and admitted he got it wrong i'd give him the benefit of the doubt, but blaming everything and everyone besides himself, he can do one now.
If we didn't have Lukaku this season we'd be going down, genuinely feel that as well, IF he hadn't been fortunate to be given that huge amount of money to sign him we'd be totally screwed this season
mkrudden
Player Valuation: £40m
Respect your view.
Hasn't changed mine.
He deserves another year. Few signings this summer including a GK and a CB and we are laughing.
TheHumbleEgg
Player Valuation: £15m
Genuinely don't think the outcome of the CHELSEA game (assuming we dip) will have any bearing on his future, ultimately it's CHELSEA in a cup quarter and they're on the up....which is pretty much what he'll say if we get turned. If we win like, well, there's still a way to go, draw dependent like...
It's the remaining league fixtures that are gonna decide his fate, quickly. I genuinely feel that may happen sooner rather than later too because (and having looked at them again and again, pffff...) it'll simply take a couple of poor ones to make - IMO - his position pretty well untenable. It keeps being bandied that the new owner is a 'football man' etc, that he knows and enjoys the game, all that. Well if that's the case then he, like every other neutral, will be scratching his head and wondering how Bob has a squad of A + B and has managed to come up with, well, F-All really. Except he's NOT a neutral now is he, old FAZ, and he has (or will have) the reigns. And all this 'But BOB has been involved in the process?' stuff being bandied about as a 'positive', affirming thing.....well, and what? Big WOW... OF COURSE he has spoken to BOB, of course BOB has been involved in 'discussions' etc. What's he gonna do...blank him? This 'involvement' isn't a seal of approval or a stamp of guaranteed managerial longevity and commitment to 'the project', it's protocol, that's it, and if you think for a single second that THE MOSH would lose sleep over tipping RM at the first inclination that he SHOULD tip him then you're off of your teats...you don't amass what he has by being sentimental - in a nutshell he's just bought a business with a fantastic, sought after staff-base that is (in likelihood) going to grossly under-perform....Again.
Really, with his work head on, what view do you think he'll take of that? Is he gonna invest in a manager who, for the most, offers mediocrity with the occasional bit of flair? The MANAGER has his supporters - and fair play to them, as I've said before, oddly I rather admire them - but the fact of the matter is the table doesn't lie. You're only as good as your position says you are.
And, despite some comparisons that have been made, I'd still sooner...in fact ALWAYS rather finish 5th than 15th.
And I'm absolutely positive the new owner would too.
It's the remaining league fixtures that are gonna decide his fate, quickly. I genuinely feel that may happen sooner rather than later too because (and having looked at them again and again, pffff...) it'll simply take a couple of poor ones to make - IMO - his position pretty well untenable. It keeps being bandied that the new owner is a 'football man' etc, that he knows and enjoys the game, all that. Well if that's the case then he, like every other neutral, will be scratching his head and wondering how Bob has a squad of A + B and has managed to come up with, well, F-All really. Except he's NOT a neutral now is he, old FAZ, and he has (or will have) the reigns. And all this 'But BOB has been involved in the process?' stuff being bandied about as a 'positive', affirming thing.....well, and what? Big WOW... OF COURSE he has spoken to BOB, of course BOB has been involved in 'discussions' etc. What's he gonna do...blank him? This 'involvement' isn't a seal of approval or a stamp of guaranteed managerial longevity and commitment to 'the project', it's protocol, that's it, and if you think for a single second that THE MOSH would lose sleep over tipping RM at the first inclination that he SHOULD tip him then you're off of your teats...you don't amass what he has by being sentimental - in a nutshell he's just bought a business with a fantastic, sought after staff-base that is (in likelihood) going to grossly under-perform....Again.
Really, with his work head on, what view do you think he'll take of that? Is he gonna invest in a manager who, for the most, offers mediocrity with the occasional bit of flair? The MANAGER has his supporters - and fair play to them, as I've said before, oddly I rather admire them - but the fact of the matter is the table doesn't lie. You're only as good as your position says you are.
And, despite some comparisons that have been made, I'd still sooner...in fact ALWAYS rather finish 5th than 15th.
And I'm absolutely positive the new owner would too.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
If there's ever been a greater example of the illusion and delusion of the internet its this debate right now on here over Martinez.
There's a mass self-convincement exercise going on that this manager is going to be unseated, and it doesn't even register in the wider world. It's as if people are saying to themselves "if I close my eyes and wish and wish and wish hard enough, when I open them it'll come true".
It's breath-taking in its scope and in its utter wrongheadedness.
We're looking at midtable and 2 cup SFs - and Everton managers get a pat on the head for a season like that, not the sack.
Jesus wept. Why do more than a handful of us not see this?
The hysteria wasn't there before the West Ham game, and it'll disappear just as fast after the Chelsea game if/when we win.
The last three days or so of this thread and the other Martinez thread are the stuff of comic gold that'll be archived for years to come. A rich seam of hyperbole and fume that'll be hilariously revisited on their perpetrators.
Throw open a window or door lads. The world out there doesn't register your efforts.
Dear me.
*shakes head*
There's a mass self-convincement exercise going on that this manager is going to be unseated, and it doesn't even register in the wider world. It's as if people are saying to themselves "if I close my eyes and wish and wish and wish hard enough, when I open them it'll come true".
It's breath-taking in its scope and in its utter wrongheadedness.
We're looking at midtable and 2 cup SFs - and Everton managers get a pat on the head for a season like that, not the sack.
Jesus wept. Why do more than a handful of us not see this?
The hysteria wasn't there before the West Ham game, and it'll disappear just as fast after the Chelsea game if/when we win.
The last three days or so of this thread and the other Martinez thread are the stuff of comic gold that'll be archived for years to come. A rich seam of hyperbole and fume that'll be hilariously revisited on their perpetrators.
Throw open a window or door lads. The world out there doesn't register your efforts.
Dear me.
*shakes head*
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
Each to their own opinion mate.
We have two England and an Argentinian international cb already, don't see how addidng anothe rone will suddenly make us any different, managers track record with keepers doesn't fill me with confidence that he is going to suddenly pick a great one if he does bring a starter in.
At a certain point you have to just look at the results and look at the managers decisions and realise that time and again he is making the wrong calls, and his inability of taking ANY of the blame has tipped me over the edge
GwladysBlue
Player Valuation: £70m
Davek distracts from the main debate here and posts stuff to get a reaction.
It was much more civil when he was thread banned.
It was much more civil when he was thread banned.
TheHumbleEgg
Player Valuation: £15m
....genuinely mate, if we finish, say, 14th, would you still think he DESERVED another year?
That sounds sarky as a Q, it's not meant to be like, so apols if it does...
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
72 points mate, not 5th. 5th is nowhere. Always has been and always will be. 72 points is AN EVERTON PREMIER LEAGUE POINTS RECORD.
TheHumbleEgg
Player Valuation: £15m
Another biggie for me that....just once I'd be chuffed if that happened, if, like RE SAT he'd have gone 'Y'know what, I got the sub wrong, I was thinking like this ______ but it didn't work out, my fault...'.
Never happen like...
TheHumbleEgg
Player Valuation: £15m
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
All fair enough points Dave, one difference though which you can't seem to grasp, kenwright doesn't really control this club anymore though mate, but pretty sure that the new man in charge has bought this club wanting it to win - and the current manager doesn't win.
Question for you, did Martinez throw away and cost us the result against West Ham in your opinion?
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
He never has and ever will mate, after the Kiev game i believe he intially blamed our finishing not being good enough for the reason - seriously...
Then in later interviews he mentioned we didn't defend well enough as a team...
Also one player he defended was Alcaraz as well - but he had too as that wa shis decision so it couldmn't be left undefended as it would lead to questions to why he played him
LAst weekend he basically threw Rom under the bus and jagielka backed his comments up by blaming the pen miss for the result, absolutely got me mad as hell that, utterly gutless from both trying to throw that result on Lukaku like
MikeH72
Player Valuation: £100m
Yeah and it was all going great until he made a sub that effectively reduced us to 9 men. That was one of the worst subs I've ever seen in my life
Is that something that needs saying though. And if he did in the current climate wouldn't saying why he felt it was a good sub be interpreted as making excuses.
That particular sub is only the main focus on here because particular lines have been taken by many. I know most are deadly honest in their opinions on him but I think there are sections will only focus on what appeared to go wrong. Even that's within a narrative from some. There's a lack of people criticising him for playing Mirallas.
There are people calling for Mourinho as manager but presumably would join in the calls for humility from Martinez.
I'm happy to debate the sub on here because I'll talk anything Everton but outside this bubble it's the sending off and the pen miss and the penalty not given that are the talking points.
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