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Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

Martinez in or out?

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mkrudden said:
Great achievement.
He also did it with the lowest points tally ever didn't he?
Does it say a lot about him or the league that year?
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Probably both, as he averaged the same amount of points through his 11 year stint with us, getting us constant top 7 in his last 5-6 years. However:
mkrudden said:
Agreed mate but I just think there are far more mitigating factors than "he's a bad manager".

Would Jose Mou done a better job? Probably. But this is the same Jose who shows no faith in youth and had a star studded Chelsea side languishing early season. Is he a bad manager? Of course not. Is he better than RM? Of course he is. But Jose has had money to invest in winners. When has Martinez had that?

With the exception of the heralded Leicester, no one gets top 4 or anywhere near without spending buckets. So why would RM be any different?
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The lad just proved that you were wrong about saying that.

He's not any different to anyone, but to say he's done well is beyond laughable. First season - brilliant, we were all buzzing. Second season - meh league, meh cups, Europa was our focus it would seem (and we bottled that massively, but let's not that get in the way of judging Martinez, eh?), and we just thought, guessed for a second, we'd do better this season given the fact we have no Europa to 'worry' about.

Well this turned out great - least wins at home in our WHOLE history, most goals conceded at home, shockingly bad in nearly every department and we've only won against relegation fodder.

You use Mourinho as an example. Let's keep with that for a bit. Mourinho had a fantastic season last year, champions and all. Then this year he flopped, and got fired. Martinez had a fantastic first season, then was kinda meh, and now he's massively flopping... and people want to keep him and give him money?

?????????????????

I'll literally post this picture with every reply in this thread now, until people see it:
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PROGRESS.
 
mkrudden said:
You don't think there are heightened expectations? Each to their own but I beg to differ.
The managers aspirations are being used as a stick 2 years early.
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Moyes aspirations were top 4 he achieved it once and was regularly top six the idea that until bobby came along we were all just happy to hang around the middle of the table is absurd and the only evidence for it are the bizarre ramblings of the manager and a few of his remaining acolytes. I say again watch the matches don't listen to his interviews they have warped your mind.
 
davek said:
Top Half will be failure unless it's top four if five first season. If there's no CL spot or cup by season two they walk.

They will be well funded and therefore they will be judged accordingly.

These are the new rules. Everyone will do well to learn them.
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I like how you're making up absolutely everything to help yourself now. Either 1) your WUM game is slipping, or 2) you're actually mental and believe what you write. What is it, Dave?

Also, just cuz I promised:
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mkrudden said:
Great achievement.
He also did it with the lowest points tally ever didn't he?
Does it say a lot about him or the league that year?
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He out performed 16 other premier league teams. Something no other Everton manager in the premier league has done. Low points tally? It means everyone was beating everyone and is an indication of a decent league. The top 6 all finishing with huge points totals just shows that there's a load of dross in the league that every decent side is repeatedly caning.

For the record all those 'weak leagues' that Moyes supposedly operated in had Chelsea under Mourinho, the invincibles Wenger side, United under Ferguson, and then Liverpool under Rafael probably their strongest prem side. How is this a weak league? Not to mention very decent Villa Newcastle Spurs and Leeds sides. In Moyes' period English teams were dominant in Europe as well.

Now you have a far more fluid top order (as seen by Leicester and Spurs cracking it). United are a shadow of themselves repeatedly without champions league, ditto Liverpool, Arsenal are nowhere near their 03-07 team, Chelsea have been awful this season, Coty are a good side but also arguably on the decline. Traditional prem heavyweights like Villa Newcastle and Leeds are nowhere to be seen with most of the sides under West Ham being very average.

How is this league therefore harder? Prem teams have also been woeful in Europe. Whereas once Ronaldo Bale Tevez Rooney Drogba Henry graced the prem, now the only world class player is Aguero. A declining Torres is starting for a side that is in the CL semi final and comfortably better than any team in this country yet in his absolute world beating prime he played for a team who came 4th most seasons.

The league is relatively very weak on quality at the moment. To have a fair amount of that quality in our squad yet not even make the top ten consecutively is an absolute disgrace.
 

1966efc said:
From the point of view of the club, rowdy demonstrations at the ground are more likely to give pause for thought than is a muttered "ffs" in front of a laptop. To that extent, supporters actually at the match are "players".

In my opinion.

For what it's worth etc
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You really shouldn't underestimate the power of social media and that is a voice that can be raised and heard from anywhere on this planet.

Those same laptop users you look down your nose at may well be the very ones that funded the plane flying over head, which whether it is your bag or not, also garnered a significant amount of coverage for the same cause.

In my opinion.

For what its worth etc.

billytoffee, Everton supporter since birth nearly 50 years ago, at Goodison every game from the age of 10 through to leaving Liverpool at 16 to find my own way in life and now restricted to a couple of trips to Goodison a year - but absolutely no less passionate or committed about Everton FC than the next man, even though mainly sat at the end of a broadband or 4G connection sharing the same ups and downs as my supposed "fellow Evertonian" !
 
Saint Domingo said:
He out performed 16 other premier league teams. Something no other Everton manager in the premier league has done. Low points tally? It means everyone was beating everyone and is an indication of a decent league. The top 6 all finishing with huge points totals just shows that there's a load of dross in the league that every decent side is repeatedly caning.

For the record all those 'weak leagues' that Moyes supposedly operated in had Chelsea under Mourinho, the invincibles Wenger side, United under Ferguson, and then Liverpool under Rafael probably their strongest prem side. How is this a weak league? Not to mention very decent Villa Newcastle Spurs and Leeds sides. In Moyes' period English teams were dominant in Europe as well.

Now you have a far more fluid top order (as seen by Leicester and Spurs cracking it). United are a shadow of themselves repeatedly without champions league, ditto Liverpool, Arsenal are nowhere near their 03-07 team, Chelsea have been awful this season, Coty are a good side but also arguably on the decline. Traditional prem heavyweights like Villa Newcastle and Leeds are nowhere to be seen with most of the sides under West Ham being very average.

How is this league therefore harder? Prem teams have also been woeful in Europe. Whereas once Ronaldo Bale Tevez Rooney Drogba Henry graced the prem, now the only world class player is Aguero. A declining Torres is starting for a side that is in the CL semi final and comfortably better than any team in this country yet in his absolute world beating prime he played for a team who came 4th most seasons.

The league is relatively very weak on quality at the moment. To have a fair amount of that quality in our squad yet not even make the top ten consecutively is an absolute disgrace.
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Moyes finished 5th behind the big 4 at their peak.

Martinez with the most expensive Everton squad in history can't even get us competing with Stoke and Southampton
 

malfosse said:
I'm calling you out for a wind up merchant, you can't or won't defend Martinez, the derby or the semi final, just this nirvana like 72 points. You're just resorting to insults now, sad to see.
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Must mean he's ok with Howard as he's came out in defence of Martinez..
 

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