Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[MikeH72]

Moyes "almost relegated" Sociedad in the same way that Martinez "actually" relegated Wigan, oh ok then

 

[The reverend]

I want to see how the season plays out but i am losing faith rapidly

 

[DrEFC]

It happened didn't it?

Moyes record in the top flight:

• almost killed us
• put Man Utd back to the 1970s
• almost relegated Sociedad and caused an international incident

Boss wind up this Dave!

 

[Seamus Colemole]

Steven Gerrard :

"There was only one team who came into the derby trying to play football," said Gerrard. "Everton are effective because they have some big physical lads in the team and are very direct. They are effective. But the only team who tried to play football was us.

"Everton are not better than us. I thought we stood up to a team that are very similar to Stoke. Every single time they got the ball to their goalkeeper it came in long. We had a young, small team and they were all men and stood together. We deserved the win."

Davek :

Ask anyone with a passing interest in football now what went on in the game on Sunday and the only thing they're hearing in the background noise are the words: EVERTON LONG BALL...and that mud will stick beyond that game.

Everton play like 'Stoke'

His greatest legacy for us was to stamp us as a long ball team...something that this manager has had to struggle to break down with playing staff and many supporters who grew fond of their hoofball.

Little Ralphy said: ↑
But that, in part is how History is remembered. If Moyes came out and said they kicked us off the park, and the examples are there to support it, it becomes mainstream, you get a few pundits picking up on their heavy handed approach, and how they get away with it and before you know it, it gets highlighted and they start picking up more yellow cards in games.

Same logic for the way we play, people are already picking up on Everton's passing style, but start to promote it a little more like above and suddenly we may find ourselves with an extra tv game. It sounds far fetched but it's how it works. It's the casual supporters who tend to be the deciding factor in things like this.

The rs already have their ex-players coming out and saying their 'new passing mentality' is nothing new, trying to make sure that their own contribution to history isn't forgotten and re-written by rodgers with his big 'media' offence.

Davek on the above little Ralphy quote :

Bang on the money.

Everton play like 'Stoke'

Davek :

Absolutely he should have. Moyes first statements post match, camera front and centre:

"We were kicked off the park there. I'm furious with the referee. He failed to give protection to a side like us trying to get hold of the ball and play."

BANG.

Narrative in motion, issue nailed.

Everton play like 'Stoke'

Davek :

Maybe, maybe not. The long ball tag, though, is one we're sensitive of (and susceptible to given the way it was deployed in the past). They knew that and went for the big propaganda hit.

Everton play like 'Stoke'

Davek :

We're doing their work for them, btw, with threads like this and the others on 'the long ball' stuff.

Burn them...burn them all now and move on.

Everton play like 'Stoke'

 

[Darth Toffeeman]

I cannot understand arguing over Moyes/Martinez.

Moyes did great in saving the club and I thank him for that.

We need a real winner though if we replace Roberto. Someone who has experience of winning League's and European competitions.

 

[davek]

Pretty much saved us actually, but ok whatever

Saved us > near killed us > saddled us with hoofball > walked away > stabbed us in the back.

I think that's a fair summary of the sequence of events.

 

[silent bob]

Steven Gerrard :

Davek :


Everton play like 'Stoke'







Davek on the above little Ralphy quote :

Everton play like 'Stoke'

Davek :

Everton play like 'Stoke'

Davek :

Everton play like 'Stoke'

Davek :

Everton play like 'Stoke'

Are you the mystery man still at large after the Hatton Garden vault job??

 

[ilikecheese]

Regardless of any arguments regarding Martinez, why are you blaming the fans..impatient ? entitled ? I think even davek would reject those accusations. Patient - we have gone 21 years without a trophy and 8 years before that when we won the league in '87 ...Errr that's patience for me. Entitlement ? Leave that to the RS and the kopites - we are passionate fans - thats why we react when we see SEVEN defeats at home - I realise that you can't just fly over to home games or indeed aways (the away support incidentally consists of home S/t holders in the majority) but it IS different when you are actually there...By all means argue the merits of Martinez as posters on here have done but please don't demean the fans in the process. Thank you

Disagree. I have been a regualr attendee supporting some absolutely garbage teams over here. When things aren't going well in a game that's when the fans are suppose to try to help lift the team...not lift the opponent.

 

[davek]

Don`t misunderstand me mate i had several issues with Moyes tenure but one 17th place finish isn`t a stick to beat him with and whilst i agree it wasn`t always pretty, neither is it accurate to paint him completely with the hoofball brush.

To try to bring some balance can i offer you this trend,

5th>11th>currently 12th.

That`s more indicative of a slide towards Beachy Head.

It's a sequence that spells out only that we had one a realistic pop at a CL spot and not last season or this. 5th or midtable is the same difference as far as I'm concerned.

 

[MikeH72]

Saved us > near killed us > saddled us with hoofball > walked away > stabbed us in the back.

I think that's a fair summary of the sequence of events.

The last two and the first one may be true. Why are you completely rewriting history though? He "nearly killed us" based on one season finishing 17th, when we were safe with 5 games to go anyway? If that nearly killed us, then Christ almighty how well did he do to finish 4th the next season after losing his best player!

 

[silent bob]

Saved us > near killed us > saddled us with hoofball > walked away > stabbed us in the back.

I think that's a fair summary of the sequence of events.

In YOUR opinion. Just in case you missed those three words off by mistake.

 

[davek]

Boss wind up this Dave!

It's spot on mate. Nothing untrue in that post.

 

[davek]

Steven Gerrard :

Davek :


Everton play like 'Stoke'







Davek on the above little Ralphy quote :

Everton play like 'Stoke'

Davek :

Everton play like 'Stoke'

Davek :

Everton play like 'Stoke'

Davek :

Everton play like 'Stoke'

Yeah, one game. It's a pity we never tried it more often.

 

[silent bob]

It's a sequence that spells out only that we had one a realistic pop at a CL spot and not last season or this. 5th or midtable is the same difference as far as I'm concerned.

So that sequence under Moyes you would class as failure indicating a trend toward disaster?

Under Martinez you seem to me to try to pass it off as some sort of progression?

Forgive me if i`m struggling with the logic of that...

 

[davek]

The last two and the first one may be true. Why are you completely rewriting history though? He "nearly killed us" based on one season finishing 17th, when we were safe with 5 games to go anyway? If that nearly killed us, then Christ almighty how well did he do to finish 4th the next season after losing his best player!

Didn't have to relegate us mate. He ballsed it up that much he had a player rebellion on his hands that if he hadn't bent the knee to he'd have had a squad completely unmotivated for the following season, and that would have been fatal for us at the time.