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Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

Martinez in or out?

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bluewally said:
He sounds like a man under pressure to me to be honest. It's not his normal media drivel
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Yep in the presser he was waffling but I think in that interview he made more sense.

At this stage all I'm bothered about is him showing that he realises we have serious problems in certain areas that keep re-occurring.

He looked to have sorted that out in the last month or so and then indicated in 12 minutes vs W.Ham that the problems were still there.
 
davek said:
We dont need a new defensive coach. 15 goals conceded in all competitions since the new year tells you we dont. We DO need a captain and leader on the pitch.
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I think - as well as that being a valid point and it's ridiculous that the likes of Barry, Jagielka, Baines (When he plays) etc. haven't stepped up - the main issue is the manner we concede goals.

It always seems to be in the same way - i.e. a long punt up field or crosses into the area.

It seems to me to stem from the fact that we rarely defend as a unit. When we do defend as a unit then we look a lot more solid.

But a lot of the time RM's style/concept of defending seems to be a more 'individual' based one. And that's when the gaps open up when teams manage to hit us.

Of those 15 goals conceded this calendar year, there's only four I can think of that weren't scored from a cross or long ball...

Obviously two of those (1 v Chelsea, 1 v City lg cup) shouldn't have counted, but still, that's a worry... especially when you contrast that with the variety of attacks we have to utilise (to good effect) to score goals...
 

davek said:
Count how many other teams have conceded in the last 14 games then compare it to Everton's record in that period - you'll see the point being made is a good one.
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Dave anyone can cherry pick a period that suits their argument.

How about having the second worst home defensive record after villa.

How about 39 conceded in 28.

How about the fact that the only teams to have conceded more in the league are Bournemouth and the bottom 4.

At this stage I'm not sure what your point is, even an under pressure Martinez has finally admitted there's a problem and it's not good enough.

So if you are continuing to fight that then the only viable conclusion is that you are just a wind up merchant.
 
BlueToff said:
I think - as well as that being a valid point and it's ridiculous that the likes of Barry, Jagielka, Baines (When he plays) etc. haven't stepped up - the main issue is the manner we concede goals.

It always seems to be in the same way - i.e. a long punt up field or crosses into the area.

It seems to me to stem from the fact that we rarely defend as a unit. When we do defend as a unit then we look a lot more solid.

But a lot of the time RM's style/concept of defending seems to be a more 'individual' based one. And that's when the gaps open up when teams manage to hit us.

Of those 15 goals conceded this calendar year, there's only four I can think of that weren't scored from a cross or long ball...

Obviously two of those (1 v Chelsea, 1 v City lg cup) shouldn't have counted, but still, that's a worry... especially when you contrast that with the variety of attacks we have to utilise (to good effect) to score goals...
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The most important stat for me is the difference between home and away defending and goals conceded. We've conceded exactly half as many goals away from home as we have at Goodison. Now that is down to two things:

1/ Yes, away from home the likelihood is you sert up slighlty more conservatively and give teams more respect.

...but also..

2/ The tension and nervousness the defence feel at home must be getting to their game...we all saw Stones' reaction against Spurs, and that has to be an indicator of the difficulty these players have coping with their own fans pressure.

As said: leadership required. Never in a million years will you get it from a church mouse like Jagielka, far and away our least effective and influential captain for generations.
 
davek said:
Could be a lot better if our defenders grew a pair and we had a captain of note instead of a church mouse.
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Y'know what Dave...I really like reading your posts, slanted as they often are, you're savvy, funny sometimes even and, either way, you stir up reaction, which is always a good thing on a forum as it ensures it doesn't become all magnolia...

But mate....really, isn't enough enough on this now? Defend him by all means but stop with the application for sainthood for the man, you know your stuff, evidently, but you're now starting to come across like a one-direction-knicker-wetter...you can't use the '72' as a standard whilst discounting everything else...

it's all there mate, all the figures, whatever way you look at it the man's average, he under-achieves, he always has, his locker - for the most - is empty.

You're running out of things to blame man...hoofball/moyes/howard/defenders with balls/a non-shouty captain.... the blame lies on the touchline with it's finger occasionally in the air.

Again, may I remind you he took a team down and didn't feel he was the man to bring them back up...

Yet he's good enough for us is he?

We're not a big club mate, despite what some of us think, we're just not.....but we're bigger than him and we deserve better than he's able to offer.

As said, I love reading you stuff mate, it used to be admirable, now I simply can't believe you have conviction in a majority of what you write.
 

davek said:
We dont need a new defensive coach. 15 goals conceded in all competitions since the new year tells you we dont. We DO need a captain and leader on the pitch.
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I don't buy all this Moyes defence in his first season. The reason it was better for me was because Stubbs was there.
If we could get someone like Stubbs or at least someone more qualified than this Lawrence bloke then for me we would see a marked improvement.
I know we've seen an improvement recently but the last game shows we are still prone to results like before our recent run. We need to get out of the mentality were if we concede one we know another is coming. Apart from City in the cup and Villa we haven't won a game were the opposition has scored since Sunderland at the beginning of November. At the moment we are having to keep a clean sheet to win. Experienced ex pro who's been there and done it can only help.
 
bluewally said:
Maybe, maybe not. Even going by your hypothetical data we'd be 5 points above it. You have to assume whoever we played instead would have gotten a couple of goals (not as many as lukaku) and added 4 to 6 points to that so we'd probably be 9 to 11 points clear of relegation putting us around 13th or 14th.
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That's assuming Lukaku's only contribution is assists and goals. The next striker on the books is Kone. A team with him as the starting striker gets relegated even if he had Barca's midfield behind him and the 90s Arsenal defence. I'm sure Villa thought Benteke was replaceable.
 

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