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I'd say that we've shown more than enough quality at times this season to have got there this year. What's let us down has been our consistency and inability to not make the same mistakes every three or four games - and that is down to both the manager and the players.

If we've shown no signs of clear improvement by November this year, I think Martinez will be gone.

But he/the players have turned the attack round from last season and now he/the players will hopefully turn the defence round.

That's all that's stopped us from being able to compete this term. Last season it was defence and attack.

I'm on the side that the times "we've shown more than enough quality" are down to the players individual ability and not the managers system or tactics.

These are more or less the same players who achieved our record points total who now have 2 extra years experience.

Lukaku and Barkley especially are much improved players. Lukaku is arguably the best striker in the league.

So if the personnel is similar but more experienced, what caused a fall off of 25 points in year 2 and potentially the same in year 3?
 

I'm on the side that the times "we've shown more than enough quality" are down to the players individual ability and not the managers system or tactics.

These are more or less the same players who achieved our record points total who now have 2 extra years experience.

Lukaku and Barkley especially are much improved players. Lukaku is arguably the best striker in the league.

So if the personnel is similar but more experienced, what caused a fall off of 25 points in year 2 and potentially the same in year 3?

But that's completely unfair...

You're claiming the players deserve credit for the good but not the bad, which is ridiculous...

To win games you require a good system as a base and then the flair of the players on top of that.

We're really not far off. Whether RM will be the man to achieve the consistency is the only thing up for debate, IMO.
 
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor...berto-martinez-wants-everton-dynasty-11057321

Roberto Martinez wants Everton dynasty - just like Arsene Wenger at Arsenal
But Blues boss admits long-term planning tough in modern era
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Everton manager Roberto Martinez on the touchline at the Emirates Stadium
Roberto Martinez wants to build an Arsene Wenger-type dynasty at Everton - but admits it is out of his hands.

The Blues boss has a contract at Goodison until the summer of 2019 but he has grand plans the long-term future of the club.

Martinez, however, admits that whether he - or any other Premier League manager - could ever replicate Wenger’s near 20 years in charge of the Gunners depends on the nerve of a team’s owner.

Everton, who entertain Arsenal on Saturday, are entering a new era with the arrival of billionaire investor Farhad Moshiri and Martinez says with more money in the game than ever before, chairmen and owners will be under greater pressure to deliver results - and maybe make regular changes in the dug-out.



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Wenger may have seen Arsenal knocked out of the Champions League but he believes his side have shown they can still fight for domestic success this season


“The focus now goes onto the owners, what is the plan and what is the strategy behind their football clubs,” Martinez said.

“Every manager goes through good and bad periods and it’s how the manager fits into that role of building a football club. I don’t think every manager knows how to build a football club, that’s the truth.

“There are managers who prefer to be head coaches, which is looking after the first-team and concentrating on winning or losing at the weekend.



“When you are a manager where you are looking at the well-being of the football club, managing assets, managing finances and investing in and developing young players, that is a very, very different situation.

“It is the owner who ultimately decides where the manager should be judged.



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Farhad Moshiri poses for a photo at Goodison Park


“If that is just the result at the weekend or it is more about where the football club is going under his leadership.

“The modern times will make that very, very difficult and put a lot of pressure on owners about supporting managers for a long, long time like Arsene Wenger or Sir Alex Ferguson.

“More and more, that position as manager will become more like a head coach because people want instant success. And that investment that will be around will be the best investment ever, it is an historic moment, and every football club is going to have their own expectations because they will have the biggest spending they’ve ever had, attract the best players they ever had that demands wins.

“But it is still a competition of 20 teams and you cannot have 20 teams winning. That is the reality of the competition and the owners will make the difference, the owners with the stronger vision and the stability will get those rewards.”

Martinez has come under fierce criticism from sections of the supporters this season but guided the Blues into the FA Cup semi-finals with a win over Chelsea last weekend.



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Everton manager Roberto Martinez (left) and Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger (right) before a match


And the Catalan insists he is only just getting started at Goodison.

“I enjoy building football clubs, I am not the type of manager that is trying to spend as much money as I can to try and have a good season and if something happens then it will be someone else’s problem,” he said.

“I never, ever enjoyed football in that manner. When I started at Swansea, I would make decisions that I saw flourish under different managers and you get the pride and you see football clubs growing all the time.

“At Wigan it was very, very similar and it was unfortunate that the work couldn’t be followed up but at Everton I am now looking after being in charge for 1,000 days and you can see where we have taken the team since we have arrived.

“You can judge many aspects of our football club growing, rather than just winning or losing on the football pitch, and that is what I enjoy.”

Martinez signed a four-year contract when he replaced David Moyes as manager in the summer of 2013, before agreeing a new five-year deal 12 months later.



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Everton's Gerard Deulofeu celebrates scoring


So does the Everton manager, who will be entering his fourth term next season, think Champions League qualification can be achieved in that initial time frame?

“We achieved 72 points in the first season which, in the season after, would have been enough for the Champions League and in many of the last 10 years, it would’ve been enough,” he said.

“But the margins in the Premier League are becoming smaller and we are in a position where that has to be the ultimate aim and has to be our vision and we need to work towards that.

“It is not going to be easy because it has become a really, really demanding competition but, in the same way, at Everton we are now starting a new era and can approach it in a different way.

“Until now, we have been able to compete eye-to-eye with the top teams in the division with the way we play, although we haven’t been able to break into the top four, that shouldn’t stop us from having that aim in mind.”
Roberto angling for a contract extension.

I think the club will extend that present contract to 2021 in the summer, or soon thereafter.

As he says, he's building a future here at all levels and his time at Swansea has defined them for a decade. Part of the reason he left Wigan was that Whelan reneged on promises to build from the youth level up and sink cash into an academy of excellence.
 

But that's completely unfair...

You're claiming the players deserve credit for the good but not the bad, which is ridiculous...

To win games you require a good system as a base and then the flair of the players on top of that.

We're really not far off. Whether RM will be the man to achieve the consistency is the only thing up for debate, IMO.

It's not ridiculous.

I'm saying certain players are good enough to show "more than enough quality" in spite of the system.

You only have to look across the park to see a similar situation. Suarez made Rodgers look like a genius. Once he left the weaknesses in the system and tactics became obvious.
 

It's not ridiculous.

I'm saying certain players are good enough to show "more than enough quality" in spite of the system.

You only have to look across the park to see a similar situation. Suarez made Rodgers look like a genius. Once he left the weaknesses in the system and tactics became obvious.

But we haven't had a player leave since RM's first season have we?

It can't just be all down to RM - either good or bad. Ultimately the results have to improve but you can't even bring yourself to credit the good things he's done.
 
Roberto angling for a contract extension.

I think the club will extend that present contract to 2021 in the summer, or soon thereafter.

As he says, he's building a future here at all levels and his time at Swansea has defined them for a decade. Part of the reason he left Wigan was that Whelan reneged on promises to build from the youth level up and sink cash into an academy of excellence.

Don't think he'll get an extension mate - barring an FA Cup win - and even then I'd be surprised.
 
But we haven't had a player leave since RM's first season have we?

It can't just be all down to RM - either good or bad. Ultimately the results have to improve but you can't even bring yourself to credit the good things he's done.

Exactly. The only thing that has changed is that Martinez has had time to put his stamp on the team.

Outside of his ability to spot a player (which I have openly credited him for) I don't see the good things he's done to be honest.
He abandoned defence and focused on attack resulting in "entertaining" high scoring games.
 

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