Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[davek]

That second bit you have in bold is precisely why continental teams split out the roles of head coach and director of football. Martinez has effectively been a brilliant director of football but a poor head coach. With the roles combined as manager though you get people who can only fulfill one of the roles. It seems to be Martinez's personal opinion that the director of football role is more important. Mourinho would take a different view and clearly it is something that has split the fan base.

No, I dont think he's saying that at all. He's saying that there's some (like Wenger, SAF and himself) who take holistic control over the organisation with an objective to work towards, and then it's up to owners to determine whether, overall, they are succeeding in implementing that plan.

There can be no emphasis of a director of football role in that viewpoint.

 

[Goat]

To be honest, it doesn't matter either way because he'll be here until the summer, even if we lose every single game from now until the end of the season.

I also doubt Moshiri's short term ambition. I don't think he'll be shaking things up any time soon. Martinez, I think, knows this - hence his recent media manipulation, citing Wenger etc.

We start the new season with Martinez. He's a lucky man for it, two successive league failings wouldn't be tolerated at most clubs.

To go back to your Moshiri comments, I can honestly see this fella being mostly AWOL, could be wrong, but suspect he will get the people in place he trusts and just leave them to it. Hes got his fingers in many, many pies so that leaves Bill still in charge, which means Martinez isnt going anywhere anytime soon, as you say.

"What a Manager".

 

[davek]

To go back to your Moshiri comments, I can honestly see this fella being mostly AWOL, could be wrong, but suspect he will get the people in place he trusts and just leave them to it. Hes got his fingers in many, many pies so that leaves Bill still in charge, which means Martinez isnt going anywhere anytime soon, as you say.

"What a Manager".

Good post mate.

 

[Goat]

Good post mate.

 

[mkrudden]

His main job is to win football matches, something he has failed to do more times than not.

At the end of his rebuilding job. Yes.
It's a simple choice imo.
Do you want a club who long term challenges for trophies or a club who wins more than they lose but achieve nothing (our time under Moyes).
That was the choice when he walked through the door.
Now Moshiri is here, that choice is no longer there. We have the money to go out and bring proven, quality players. The level to which Martinez will be judged is enhanced.
But that starts in the summer, clearly.

 

[D410]

I hope that under the new owner we get clarity on what the owners goals are for this or any other manager?
If we get that then everything becomes clear for everyone.
We will get less BS from the manager and the players.

 

[Goat]

At the end of his rebuilding job. Yes.
It's a simple choice imo.
Do you want a club who long term challenges for trophies or a club who wins more than they lose but achieve nothing (our time under Moyes).
That was the choice when he walked through the door.
Now Moshiri is here, that choice is no longer there. We have the money to go out and bring proven, quality players. The level to which Martinez will be judged is enhanced.
But that starts in the summer, clearly.

You say we achieved nothing under Moyes, if anything, he built the club up better than El Coco has so far, he took a struggling club on its knees and built the squad into the 1 that formed the basis for everything Martinez did in his first season.

 

[D410]

At the end of his rebuilding job. Yes.
It's a simple choice imo.
Do you want a club who long term challenges for trophies or a club who wins more than they lose but achieve nothing (our time under Moyes).
That was the choice when he walked through the door.
Now Moshiri is here, that choice is no longer there. We have the money to go out and bring proven, quality players. The level to which Martinez will be judged is enhanced.
But that starts in the summer, clearly.

LOL - Claudio Ranieri

 

[mkrudden]

You say we achieved nothing under Moyes, if anything, he built the club up better than El Coco has so far, he took a struggling club on its knees and built the squad into the 1 that formed the basis for everything Martinez did in his first season.

David Moyes was a superb manager for us but he achieved very little (until his last season) in terms of playing style. We didnt beat the Sky 4 away. In 11 years.
He did however make us tighter, grittier and laid the prudent financial model. Brilliant.
If 'El Coco' is given 11 years, what do you honestly think he would achieve? Less? I'd say more.

It's all redundant anyway because the model has been thrown out of the window. He will be given significant sums. My staunch defences of him will no longer be there if, after buying 2 or 3 quality players in the summer, we are 12th at this stage next season.

LOL - Claudio Ranieri

The exception to the rule, as there always is. Give me another team fighting relegation one year and then winning it (probably) the next after spending no money.

 

[Goat]

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The exception to the rule, as there always is. Give me another team fighting relegation one year and then winning it (probably) the next after spending no money.

They spent 35m.

Thats not to take anything away from where they are like.

 

[mkrudden]

They spent 35m.

Thats not to take anything away from where they are like.

Isnt that about standard these days? Especially for new/ish PL teams? Not being an arse btw, but Norwich spent a butt-load of cash, as did Watford. Bottom half is the norm. Leicester are definitely the exception.

 

[Prevenger17]

The exception to the rule, as there always is. Give me another team fighting relegation one year and then winning it (probably) the next after spending no money.

They spent 35m.

Not to mention the mountains of beak they've been hoovering up

 

[Goat]

Not to mention the mountains of beak they've been hoovering up

That WAS the amount they have spent on it.

 

[smileychap]

At the end of his rebuilding job. Yes.
It's a simple choice imo.
Do you want a club who long term challenges for trophies or a club who wins more than they lose but achieve nothing (our time under Moyes).
That was the choice when he walked through the door.
Now Moshiri is here, that choice is no longer there. We have the money to go out and bring proven, quality players. The level to which Martinez will be judged is enhanced.
But that starts in the summer, clearly.

Why would we not judge Martinez before the summer... FA Cup or declining league position not sufficient to make a call?

 

[Goat]

Isnt that about standard these days? Especially for new/ish PL teams? Not being an arse btw, but Norwich spent a butt-load of cash, as did Watford. Bottom half is the norm. Leicester are definitely the exception.

Oh yeah like, 35m is buttons in the whole grand scale of things, yano when the likes of City spunk 50m on crap players like Raheem.