Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[TheFinnFan]

Nothing specific mate, I'm not at all ITK.


The telling thing was the interview the other day where he almost seemed to acknowledge that someone else might get to finish the job. Those might not be the exact words he used, but the tone was pretty much that.

where is this interview

 

[Saint Domingo]

Think it's because some people think it will all come good,well they hope it will.

That's purely based on his personality and what's been fed by the media. Martinez has a completely unearned reputation for flowing football and is a charming man. Therefore people have faith in him that they wouldn't if he was an older less personable manager with a reputation for a more defensive game even if the results were better.

 

[nsno-chris]

The man has sucked the heart of a team and the fans, I've never seen an Everton team with so little fight. It's embarrassing to watch. Pontless dull football, holes all over the pitch.

He'll be gone in the summer

 

[toffee matt]

Aren't we up by 8 points though?

Sacking a manager rarely works.

Don't buy this. Literarly all clubs sack managers and theirs plenty of cases of it working.

Leicester sacked Pearson and are now on the verge of the title, Chelsea sacked AVB and won the champions league.

Being risk averse will get us nowhere

 

[TrachyBlue]

I would love to win it, but if he did win it I don't see any scenario where he would be sacked afterwards.

And that's why he needs to go now. A lot of fans and possibly some players, have lost faith in him. We can still win the cup without him and kick on from there.

 

[oldblue]

I have not turned on him and still want

Yesterday second half was appalling really. Worse than Swansea at home, or West Brom, or Leicester. In all of those games I could see the game plan we were gong for, it was just poorly executed. Yesterday I had no idea what our front 4-5 players were meant to be doing. Outside of the back 5 and McCarthy you couldn't see what formation we were playing never mind the strategy.

I am flabbergasted really. I have no idea how a manager who outthinks Hiddink one week can look so inept the following week. In years gone by I think he'd have been forgiven the inconsistency, but with additional revenue available I don't think the lack of money available will be tolerated as an excuse much longer.

Yesterday was horrible but didn't really feel like it was part of the ups and downs of this season. I'd really put nearly all of that on the players. They stopped doing even the things they've been doing consistently well all season. There's been wins and defeats that illustrate the managers strengths and flaws but I'm convinced this wasn't one of them.
Don't know whether Arsenal have some kind of hold over us or there was a lot more adrenalin went into our game at the weekend than theirs against Barca but I think he could have put any tactics into motion yesterday and the players would have struggled.
Arsenal do have those performances in their locker and there are only really the very top teams in Europe who live with it. A dazed looking team like yesterday won't.
Other than steroid injections don't think Martinez could have done much about it.

 

[MikeH72]

He talks an awful lot, but he has absolutely nothing to say

 

[roydo]

Slightly different scenario, bur Di Matteo was sacked after winning the CL wasnt he?

Or did he have a few months of the next season?

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

Not a huge fan of slating him, he's still young with much to learn.

Hopefully the past 2 seasons have been a lesson to him, and we can build again.

To say that things haven't improved from last year like some of you lot have been banging on about is nonsensical.

We are moving forward after taking a few steps backward, even the most scathing of Martinez' critics can see that.

I'll answer this point by point.

1 - You're right, he is still young with much to learn. Unfortunately he's proven he's stubborn and won't learn, so that's a Catch 22 which has seen his tedious plan A implemented in every home game without fail for the past 3 seasons.

2 - Nonsensical that we haven't improved? We're in 12th and only going in one direction. It's pure fantasy to suggest we've improved since last year. The league table doesn't lie.

3 - We're clearly not moving forwards, we are moving backwards, show me one shred of evidence that should convince staunch Martinez critics that we're making the progress you're conclusively telling us we're making. I don't see it, nor do tens of thousands of others.

 

[TheFinnFan]

The man has sucked the heart of a team and the fans, I've never seen an Everton team with so little fight. It's embarrassing to watch. Pontless dull football, holes all over the pitch.

He'll be gone in the summer

will not if he manages to get us to the cup final. that will decisive factor.

 

[steken1]

Slightly different scenario, bur Di Matteo was sacked after winning the CL wasnt he?

Or did he have a few months of the next season?

Sacked the season after when he refused to play Torres in a CL game

 

[toffee matt]

Saying that we're moving forward under Martinez is the equivalent of thinking that the earth is flat

 

[GwladysBlue]

Aren't we up by 8 points though?

Sacking a manager rarely works.

Does that mean anything at all? Positions are what counts and we're somehow worse than last season.

It worked for Leicester, Spurs, Liverpool and West Ham.

 

[Saint Domingo]

The man has sucked the heart of a team and the fans, I've never seen an Everton team with so little fight. It's embarrassing to watch. Pontless dull football, holes all over the pitch.

He'll be gone in the summer

This is it for me, three seasons in and look at the league table, our worst ever home record coupled with the worst top flight home defensive record in Europe, absolutely no concept of defending as a team or pressuring the ball. We have gone backwards, all of this with a squad easily in the top 5 or 6 in the league, any other side in the league would have fired their manager for a similar relative level of under performance. Now that McClaren has gone he is easily the worst performing manager, the one above him (Van Gaal) will probably lose his job as well.

After three years it's a collection of 11 individuals taking the pitch with no clear idea of what they're doing. If the individual attacking talents turn up we may get a result but if they don't then there is zero to fall back on. Not good enough by a long shot.

 

[MikeH72]

Can anyone explain the thinking behind waiting until the 73rd minute for an attacking substitution when 2-0 down and not having any shots at goal by the way?