Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

Martinez in or out?

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toffee matt said:
Don't buy this. Literarly all clubs sack managers and theirs plenty of cases of it working.

Leicester sacked Pearson and are now on the verge of the title, Chelsea sacked AVB and won the champions league.

Being risk averse will get us nowhere
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It worked well for us in the past.

We sacked Walker and fetched in Big Joe.....we would have been relegated otherwise.

We binned Walter for wee Davey......relegation was a possibility at that point.
 
- Media has turned against him, national & local
- fans have turned against him (fair to say that we've seen the scale turn now)

- some might say that yesterday showed that even the players might have had enough

- decisive point is the semi game. even after possible derby defeat we wont see him sacked but the camels back will snap IF we dont reach the final. his contract would be terminated in the summer.

thats my stance on thingys.
 
Saint Domingo said:
This is it for me, three seasons in and look at the league table, our worst ever home record coupled with the worst top flight home defensive record in Europe, absolutely no concept of defending as a team or pressuring the ball. We have gone backwards, all of this with a squad easily in the top 5 or 6 in the league, any other side in the league would have fired their manager for a similar relative level of under performance. Now that McClaren has gone he is easily the worst performing manager, the one above him (Van Gaal) will probably lose his job as well.

After three years it's a collection of 11 individuals taking the pitch with no clear idea of what they're doing. If the individual attacking talents turn up we may get a result but if they don't then there is zero to fall back on. Not good enough by a long shot.
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It's ok, all is good...we have been overtaken by Troyes in the French league, after they lost 9-0 at home to PSG las week..
 

toffee matt said:
Problem in the last 2 seasons is that Defence has had to be broken up for various and the Catalan has no idea how to replace them
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We still have good defenders, that's the alarming thing.....Coleman-Jags-Stones-Baines-Funes Mori-Oviedo with midfielders like McCarthy & Barry ahead of them....That's as good a squad of defensive players as we could hope for....

Leicester have no superstar defenders, but they're well organized....same with Spurs....

A good manager would sort that backline out fairly handily.....
 
Ask the big questions!

Are we progressing as a football club?

Are we nearer to achieving the objective set out when he first arrived, namely contenders for Europe and possibly the Champions League?

Do we see any signs of this group of players maturing and kicking on to the next level?

The answer is to each is no, and the buck stops with the management and coaching squad.

For all their good intent, they're sadly not good enough.
 
balggy said:
We kind of have the opposite problem to Utd's.

I'm sure they would love to sack Van Gaal now, but that would probably mean installing an interim manager. The interim manager would probably be Giggs, arguably the most successful manager in the clubs history. If he was to do well, maybe win the FA Cup, the fans would be calling for Giggs to be installed as the permanent manager.

The clubs owners clearly do not want Giggs as the next manager and they don't want to make a decision now that could ultimately pressures them into giving him the long term job, lets call it the Di Matteo scenario. The want emotion removed so they can make the best decision in the summer.

We on the other hand have a manager who is performing appallingly in the league but in Martinez's case, the failure to sack now could cause the long term problem. If he wins the FA Cup he gets the keys to the city, Everton do not sack manager who win FA Cups, they go down in folklore. But the vast majority of fans are terrified by a fourth Martinez season, it looks inevitable that this seasons league position will be worse than last seasons.

Liverpool were probably facing a similar problem with Dalgliesh. He was clearly not the right man to take them forward in the long term, but he was in an FA Cup Final against Chelsea in 2012. Win it and it would have been virtually impassible for the clubs owners to sack him.

So in Utd's case, it is probably the wise decision to wait until the end of the season because their interim could force the clubs hand.

In our case, it could be disastrous waiting until the end of the season. Martinez knows its the FA Cup or nothing. If he wins it, Moshiri will not be able to remove him, even if he wanted to. The momentum would be well and truly be behind Martinez, despite the dross served up in the league for the past two seasons.

We will still be an FA Cup semi final, even if we sack him now.
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Hadn't thought of it like that to be honest but you make an interesting point.
 
The Esk said:
Ask the big questions!

Are we progressing as a football club?

Are we nearer to achieving the objective set out when he first arrived, namely contenders for Europe and possibly the Champions League?

Do we see any signs of this group of players maturing and kicking on to the next level?

The answer is to each is no, and the buck stops with the management and coaching squad.

For all their good intent, they're sadly not good enough.
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This statement really is hard hitting and accurate. I would like to see him gone asap now and give us a chance in the derby, the cup and our remaining games. I honestly would prefer Stubbs Weir standing in. United West Ham are relishing playing us in a semi final we are so predictable
Sad but the above is damning indictment of Martinez time with us
 

Number_25 said:
Aren't we up by 8 points though?

Sacking a manager rarely works.
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We're averaging 1.31 points per game which at the minute means we are likely to finish with around 50 points. We got 47 last season. Anyway were still down about 20 points or roughly 7 wins from his first season.
 
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Just loaded Football Manager and it's the first thing I saw.
 
All things considered, Martinez has to go even if we do win the cup. It's a very short sighted view to take "he's won us the cup, surely he's worth another season". NO!!

Only one other team in Europe's top 5 leagues has conceded more goals at home than us, and we won 21 games out of the last 67. That is disgusting. Yet every week we look so timid and scared in our defending. It's utterly pointless to have a great attacking ethic if you can't also defend, only an idiot would think otherwise.

Relatively speaking, imagine you performed to the same level at your job as Martinez has over the last 2 years?! I know for a fact I'd of been asked to leave or even been sacked.

It's about time the board took our motto seriously "nothing but the best is good enough" and got rid of Martinez, as quite frankly, his general deployment and tactics are making a mockery of our motto, and most of our players don't appear to have any regard for it either.
 
balggy said:
In our case, it could be disastrous waiting until the end of the season. Martinez knows its the FA Cup or nothing. If he wins it, Moshiri will not be able to remove him, even if he wanted to. The momentum would be well and truly be behind Martinez, despite the dross served up in the league for the past two seasons.
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True but in terms of replacements, the summer is surely a better time to shop.
 

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