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Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

Martinez in or out?

  • In

  • Out

  • Getting splinters eating cheese on toast on the fence

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Prevenger17 said:
Wigan, as a town, had absolutely no interest in a game played with a round ball. Their wages and funding were cut drastically but he left them with some parting gift. I can see, even now, that if we win the FA Cup, the Plotters will put it down to good luck. Amazing to think that will be the case but conceding a two miles offside goal in a magical extra minute would be just bad management. The hatred of Martinez is personal for some now, not based on logic.
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Amazing, Martinez sycophants now blaming geography and demographics for him managing to take Wigan down.

Desperate stuff.
 
Prevenger17 said:
No. My position in that respect has always been the same since I began supporting Everton. I consider a trophy far more important than a league placing and always will. In my mind, an FA Cup victory would make for the most successful campaign Everton have had in 21 years, and I would be forever grateful to the man and players responsible for it.
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Fine. You are entitled to your opinion. But will you still support him if we can't win the cup and finish 12th in the league? What if we are 11th in X'mas. No way it is a kind of progression it is in fact a sign of regression.
 
hktoffee said:
Fine. You are entitled to your opinion. But will you still support him if we can't win the cup and finish 12th in the league? What if we are 11th in X'mas. No way it is a kind of progression it is in fact a sign of regression.
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Mate honestly, I have stated this a thousand times before, directly to you yourself at one point I think. I will absolutely want Martinez out if this season ends with a whimper.
 

Prevenger17 said:
lol I've already laid out my position on numerous occasions. I'm 100% pro Martinez between now and the end of the season, 100% flexible on him as soon as it's over and 4,000,000% going to vault the hell out of you and Ian as soon as we win the FA Cup.

Really though, I was deeply unhappy with the way we lost yesterday, but Martinez has my full support until the end of the season no matter what. I don't see the point in changing now and he has absolutely earned the right to see out what could end up being a great season for us. And I mean that.

I'm not stupid, the home form is the reason he's under pressure, and I can certainly understand frustrations. You support a team that plays pretty much every week in a season: The more you win, the happier you are, vice versa the more you lose. Those feelings are magnified a thousand times over if you've bought a season ticket and aren't getting a decent emotional return on your investment every two weeks or so.

But I only care about Everton winning a trophy. I've wanted it ever since I started supporting Everton and I've never witnessed it as an Everton fan. If we're going to bang on about Martinez' tenure with Wigan, that's fine, because he won something with them and has given a very good account of himself in knockout tournaments with us. I really think he can do it, and that would honestly be one the happiest moments of my adult life. League wins are fleeting and transient, I would remember us winning an FA Cup forever.

Criticizing him is fine, but to see people call him names, question his integrity and start finding something wrong with everything he does or says (someone criticised the way he stood on the sidelines the other day FFS) seems utterly crazy to me generally, and even moreso when we are on the cusp of opening our trophy cabinet for the first time in 21 years.
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Totally agree with this.
 
I'm not fuming, I've just had enough of a guy who continues to produce less than the sum of the parts.

The opportunity was there to break the mold in the way that Leicester and Spurs have done, even West Ham potentially might.

All the talk of building something over the long term, it's never going to happen when he can't build consistently over the short term. Yesterday was the final straw when everything was in Martinez' favour, a great previous weekend, a free week, the feel good factor from Moshiri, playing against an Arsenal team kicked out of two cups and in a shocking run of form, and we produce the most mentally and tactically inept performance in many a year.

Sadly, it's not worked out, he doesn't have the skill set to take us to the levels our ambitions require.
 
bluestevon said:
@davek

Kenwright: Smith is still our man


The Everton owner broke his silence over suggestions that he was contemplating a change, with Preston's David Moyes supposedly in line to take over, and said: 'I am meant to be announcing Walter's departure, if you believe all you hear, but nothing could be further from the truth. I want to make it clear that Walter is very much the man for the job here and will still be in charge next season. I know there are a few dissenting voices among our fans, but you have to acknowledge that our injury problems this season have been without parallel.' Kenwright added: 'Walter and I speak the same language. We both know the score on finance. If I had £150million, believe me, it would be in Everton's bank account. But I haven't and we have to operate in the real world. It is easy to knock the manager, but just look at the problems he has had this season. Throughout it all, Walter has stood there to be counted. He has been honest and faced his responsibilities and I have never had any doubts that he is the right man for us.' There could be a reprieve for Paul Gascoigne who looked certain to be on his way out, with 12 months left on his agreement, after allowing his fitness to suffer during a six-month injury absence. Kenwright said: 'The final decision will rest with Walter and will be influenced by fitness levels, but it is my hope that Paul will be with us next season.' Kevin Phillips twice struck fine equalisers to force Sunderland back into the game after Idan Tal and Michael Ball, with a penalty, had put Everton ahead.

In a match of nine bookings, Sunderland had Don Hutchison sent off after bringing down Dave Unsworth for a penalty which the defender saw well saved by Thomas Sorensen.
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Mate, erm...? WTF?

You do realise that Kenwright did then go and give Smith another season after that dont you?

Lol.
 

The Esk said:
I'm not fuming, I've just had enough of a guy who continues to produce less than the sum of the parts.

The opportunity was there to break the mold in the way that Leicester and Spurs have done, even West Ham potentially might.

All the talk of building something over the long term, it's never going to happen when he can't build consistently over the short term. Yesterday was the final straw when everything was in Martinez' favour, a great previous weekend, a free week, the feel good factor from Moshiri, playing against an Arsenal team kicked out of two cups and in a shocking run of form, and we produce the most mentally and tactically inept performance in many a year.

Sadly, it's not worked out, he doesn't have the skill set to take us to the levels our ambitions require.
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Results speak for itself. A cup win of course is great but it will not hide the fact that the winning rate in PL is unacceptable since August 2014. We are supposed to be a top 6 PL team.
 
He's obviously not leaving before the end of the season

Once the season is over though, regardless of whether we win the cup or not, I hope the club hierarchy have a proper evaluation of him and weight up their options

Our defending still isn't good enough

We need a top level goalkeeper, a proper LM and a brand new defensive coach

If in the summer he sorts all three of those issues, I'm happy for him to stick around

If he just sorts two of them, we may be all right. For instance, if we have a great keeper then it might offset how awful Martinez and his coaching staff are at organising the defence.

If he sorts those issues, I genuinely think we'll be a force next season, with him at the helm stewarding it

He has to check his ego at the door, realise the holes in his game and correct them

If he does that, all the other teams need to be put on notice, because Everton are coming back!
 
I'm a huge fan of this idea that a man who has just sunk £80m+ into Everton is going to let someone else have the unilateral control over the manager decision.

"Here you go Bill, here's a colossal sum of money for the club (to you) but it's sound, I really don't want to tread on your toes, just do what you think is best"

Amazing stuff.
 

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