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Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

Martinez in or out?

  • In

  • Out

  • Getting splinters eating cheese on toast on the fence

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mkrudden said:
Requesting all the information relevant before making an informed decision isn't being a zealot nor is it "moving the goalposts". It's the only way debate can occur.

We aren't at war here captain, no matter how melodramatic you seem to make things.
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The next business I potentially purchase, I am going to hire you to assist in the due diligence process lol
 
davek said:
No mate, I'm giving you the general temperature of the industry and where this forum fever fits into it. It's nothing. It doesn't register. They see a team doing ok one week, not very good the next. They comment on inconsistency and a team which should be doing better. They compliment the club on the football played. They DONT scream out that there';s a crisis or need for change at the top. They wonder what Martinez can do with extra money from Moshiri.

Again, I have to apologise for posting inconvenient truths...and they ^^^ most certainly ARE inconvenient truths.
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Convenient assumptions I think you mean
 
As much as it pains me to say it (and I have voiced my opinion elsewhere) I do not think he is the right man for the job. Great attacking football at times but IMO he is destroying our defense, which has for some years been our strength. Tippy tappy football is ok with an end result. but from having a corner to our own penalty box in one multi pass move really grips my hemorrhoids.
 
davek said:
We cant have it both ways here: we cant say the squad is as good as the 80s then in the same breath condemn the defence for being all at sea. "A GK needs to come in and right back and if Stones goes a couple of CBs"...that's the usual lament, but somehow Martinez has currently at his disposal the best squad for 35 years. It's a cracking attacking outfit, but forgive me for not buying completely into the view that it's a perfect hand that he has to play. He hasn't.

There's four places up for grabs and not even teams with the cash of United and City are guaranteed one of them...one of them wont get a CL spot. But Martinez spending a fraction on his squad has to get one of these places. Has to unless he wants the sack. It's Alice in Wonderland stuff.

I know I've said this to you before but it bears repeating: the talk of 'lack of skills' from non-professionals in relation to a manager who has Martinez's career cv is pure comedy. His achievements at different levels, not only in terms of results but the establishment of blueprints for all aspects of the playing side of a club, make a nonsense of the claim. The necessary skills you speak of seem to be holding his hands up and delegating to an outsider all matters concerning defence. This isn't the NFL. We dont operate our organisations in that way.

The bottom line here is that you weigh up whether his time here so far, including a very good first season and these two middling and (as yet) unproductive seaons in terms of results (though the matter of playing style and performance, imo, is another issue entirely) and you ask yourself if Everton are a club that appraises that overall effort and comes to the unavoidable conclusion that a dismissal is the natural next step. (Me? I look at it and think 'miles off'...and that's just now without making the next round of the cup.) And that is the way Everton the club and Everton the supporters would usually see things too. But not for Martinez apparently. No, Martinez is held accountable to a different set of criteria...or at least for many fans he is at least.
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No one is saying he has to get top 4 but the performances and league position in the last two seasons are unacceptable for Everton's fans. Simple as that. Many fans wanted Moyes sacked for not cracking the top 4 with much less financial backing and a worse squad so not sure where this different criteria nonsense is coming from. I think you are being massively disrespectful to other posters by these spurious arguments. The fans are not stupid.
 

davek said:
We cant have it both ways here: we cant say the squad is as good as the 80s then in the same breath condemn the defence for being all at sea. "A GK needs to come in and right back and if Stones goes a couple of CBs"...that's the usual lament, but somehow Martinez has currently at his disposal the best squad for 35 years. It's a cracking attacking outfit, but forgive me for not buying completely into the view that it's a perfect hand that he has to play. He hasn't.

There's four places up for grabs and not even teams with the cash of United and City are guaranteed one of them...one of them wont get a CL spot. But Martinez spending a fraction on his squad has to get one of these places. Has to unless he wants the sack. It's Alice in Wonderland stuff.

I know I've said this to you before but it bears repeating: the talk of 'lack of skills' from non-professionals in relation to a manager who has Martinez's career cv is pure comedy. His achievements at different levels, not only in terms of results but the establishment of blueprints for all aspects of the playing side of a club, make a nonsense of the claim. The necessary skills you speak of seem to be holding his hands up and delegating to an outsider all matters concerning defence. This isn't the NFL. We dont operate our organisations in that way.

The bottom line here is that you weigh up whether his time here so far, including a very good first season and these two middling and (as yet) unproductive seaons in terms of results (though the matter of playing style and performance, imo, is another issue entirely) and you ask yourself if Everton are a club that appraises that overall effort and comes to the unavoidable conclusion that a dismissal is the natural next step. (Me? I look at it and think 'miles off'...and that's just now without making the next round of the cup.) And that is the way Everton the club and Everton the supporters would usually see things too. But not for Martinez apparently. No, Martinez is held accountable to a different set of criteria...or at least for many fans he is at least.
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Firstly I do believe that earlier this season you trumpeted this team as something along the lines of "our best squad in decades playing our best football in generations". Please don't try the old switcheroo

Secondly, 2 bottom half finishes with our worst results in years are now "middling seasons".

Is relegation the only outcome you consider a bad season?

Feel free to delay your answer. If he's still here next season we won't have to speak in hypotheticals
 


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