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Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)
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Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
You get a mural and a new contract for finishing fifth these days. Nil Satis.
Moyes was his modern day version!
I mentioned it earlier, but when we finished third we were the Div 1 highest scorers with 76 goals.
I'd rather have the mid table trophy.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
This obsession with the home league stat has to stop. It's just nonsense.
I'd rather have the FA Cup
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
Is it not true? I guess it's not something you can prove like how our football is 'touched by the gods' and that we are 'the entertainers'
Well that, and that he hated (We all agreeeee) Duncan McKenzie (is magic)
"People keep on about stars and flair. As far as I'm concerned you find stars in the sky and flair at the bottom of your trousers."
— Lee built his sides on teamwork and hard work rather than individual talent.[9]
TheHumbleEgg
Player Valuation: £15m
Yes, curse them, they're meaningless, and they don't impact on anything at all.
Whereas the 72 point tally, well, the benefits of that were immense eh...
The media are all closing in on him and have cottoned what a rotten job he is actually doing at Everton.
His job will come under further scrutiny, as every man and his dog in football knows what is happening and the pressure will intensify if we go out in the semi final.
His job will come under further scrutiny, as every man and his dog in football knows what is happening and the pressure will intensify if we go out in the semi final.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Thanks mate.
It's a collective hysteria that comes and goes now with regularity. It's why it cant be taken seriously.
After the QF win over Chelsea 10 days ago people were ecstatic we were at Wembley with a shot at a trophy, and there was a consensus that league games should be sacrificed to keep certain players free from injury for the SF....then we get beat in a home game by a team looking to keep their title aspirations alive and the mood turns 180 degrees and are incensed that the league points they weren't that arsed about a few days earlier had been lost.
It's a good job those in control of this club dont even register this Jekyll and Hyde nonsense or we'd end up like Newcastle.
Yeah but those 72 points 2 season ago mate, that was the stuff of folklore!
Sentinel
Player Valuation: £8m
At the moment he's more Gordon Lee than Kendall, in my opinion.
I think this is what he is genuinely attempting but unfortunately failing to do. Our well established defensive failings are undermining it, leading to shocking collapses or being on the back foot from early on in the game. The indicators were all there the season before too. And Martinez failed to address them.
I agree. So why wasn't it addressed last summer? Was that negligence or an inability to spot weakness. What makes you think it will be different this summer?
True, Howard will be gone. So presumably that will be addressed, unless he intends to start with Robles next year and just buys a back up. I really hope that isn't the case. Shawcross is a good shout. But is he a Martinez type player though. Same would apply to Cahill or Dann. Lacazette could be a decent replacement if Lukaku departed. Let's say for arguments sake, Lukaku and Stones stay and he brings in a quality, GK, CB and creative midfielder. The team looks great on paper. Will the defensive shortcomings that have plagued us disappear? Or will they re-emerge, just with new cast members. That's the problem with Martinez, he fundamentally has to address failings, issues in his own system. I agree some of the players this season have let him down badly. Ultimately though, it will be his own intransigence or refusal to evolve as a manager, that will be his undoing not the personal he employs.
One final point. Say we swapped managers with Leicester. Where would Everton be sitting in the league? And would Leicester be challenging for the title?
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I think this is what he is genuinely attempting but unfortunately failing to do. Our well established defensive failings are undermining it, leading to shocking collapses or being on the back foot from early on in the game. The indicators were all there the season before too. And Martinez failed to address them.
I agree. So why wasn't it addressed last summer? Was that negligence or an inability to spot weakness. What makes you think it will be different this summer?
True, Howard will be gone. So presumably that will be addressed, unless he intends to start with Robles next year and just buys a back up. I really hope that isn't the case. Shawcross is a good shout. But is he a Martinez type player though. Same would apply to Cahill or Dann. Lacazette could be a decent replacement if Lukaku departed. Let's say for arguments sake, Lukaku and Stones stay and he brings in a quality, GK, CB and creative midfielder. The team looks great on paper. Will the defensive shortcomings that have plagued us disappear? Or will they re-emerge, just with new cast members. That's the problem with Martinez, he fundamentally has to address failings, issues in his own system. I agree some of the players this season have let him down badly. Ultimately though, it will be his own intransigence or refusal to evolve as a manager, that will be his undoing not the personal he employs.
One final point. Say we swapped managers with Leicester. Where would Everton be sitting in the league? And would Leicester be challenging for the title?
Hate to say it but as RM has failed to live up to my expectations from a tactical and technical perspective then my wish would be to move him upstairs into a position where he is responsible for scouting, identifying and sourcing players - there is little doubt he has an eye for a good player - but keep him away from the actual footballing side by bringing in a coach/manager who can actually implement the on field activities. He also has good media savvy (bull*******), has bought into the club's history and I am sure would make a great ambassador for developing Everton's prospective global links which Moshiri will surely wish to develop.
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