Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

Martinez in or out?

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When have those teams been 5th lately? And apart from Watford, what have they done in the cup competitions?

Martinez has given value for money over the 3 seasons all told, and his buying has been first class.

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The reason we got those 72 points and had such a great season was in part down to Martinez, with his injection of new players. The introduction of a new attacking mentality and style and also the emergence of young talent such as Barkley.

But at the same time this team and its new found attacking ethic was complemented by the well-drilled defensive mentality and attributes of the players. This hard-nosed defensive skill was learned the hard way on the training pitches under the Moyes regime, not pretty but effective...Lose the ball and drop back to 2 lines of four, protect the fullbacks and stop crosses into the box. Centre-backs knew their marking zones and responsibilities and the result was a wall that would do the Spartan defenders of Thermopylae proud.

Now all those defensive skills have been drilled out of them - we lose possession and the full backs still push high up the pitch - the wide midfielders do not drop in and support them, too often Barry and McCarthy get overrun in midfield and our centre back pairings have displayed an alarming lack of technique, communication and understanding.

That is why we struggle and that is why so many of us are angry - attacking flair is great to see but you have to have a defense and teamwork ethic to complement this.

Coaching (or lack of it), poor leadership and communication on the pitch and the total lack of tactical nouse to alter the shape and structure of the team in-game are the reason for our crap season.
Been saying it all season mate that we need to play with a flatter back four. We stumbled into that early in the season through injury when we had Galloway and browning in the FB berths. Browning was injured and Galloway unjustifiably dropped for the outrageously over rated Baines. Then a couple of months back we again played flatter with Oviedo in there aft Baines was injured. The defence was much sounder. Oviedo then gets injured and we're back to the wingback problem again.

I think Martinez gets the message, but injuries are allowing only periodic corrections to the problem.
 
Frankly it doesn't matter who we sign.

You can have all the top players in the world but if your full backs are anywhere but full back, your centre backs are left one v one and your team is as fragile as a five year old you stand no chance.

The direct correlation between the amount of goals we concede and the managers tactics employed should point that we will never achieve anything other than a cup run where we may win the odd tough game but rely on beating lower league opposition.

The faster that this manager is relieved of his duties the better. What can he possibly develop in the likes of Ross, Stones etc now?
They need discipline, consistency and good habits. They need to learn football is ruthless and cruel , mistakes are punished and not brushed under the carpet.

Those who can't see or accept that the longer Martinez is in charge the more we will fall behind are in my opinion too proud to admit they're wrong and too easy to accept mediocrity.

In a season where Leicester are likely to win the league, Spurs are going to finish top 3 and Stoke, West Ham , Saints push for fourth we are counting the cost of mistakes that directly lie at the hands of the manager.

He may rather 'die on his knees than compromise on his beliefs ' but his beliefs are out dated, naive and full of arrogance.
 

When have those teams been 5th lately? And apart from Watford, what have they done in the cup competitions?

Martinez has given value for money over the 3 seasons all told, and his buying has been first class.

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