Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[Sentinel]

Was Howard Kendall a traitor for joining Athletico Bilbao?

Still rankles with me that one.

 

[Zatara]

Really? Stop gaps? He wanted McGeady he's brought Alcaraz to two clubs! You can't pick and choose dependant on whether they were a success.

You dont reckon
Barry
McGeady
Alcaraz
Eto'o
Howard extension
osman extension
hibbert extension

were all stopgaps?

I do as he wanted to spend the rea money he had on quality and filled out the squad with those players.

Howard was the only major disaster there as well as kone who alot of fans here wanted but i said was useless when we signed him.

hes not infallible BUTarguing over players with tiny transfer fees being stopgaps is a bit silly when you just need to look at how quickly hes shipped out players in general with only a few errors which havent really cost us.

 

[Zatara]

A manager who signs Arouna Kone twice does not have a great track record.

That was insanity....

 

[Dymak]

Hold on!

you're the one claiming we've had a significant net spend!!

Why should i need to find the stats when you're the one making such assumptions? Based on the teams that have spent more money as a certainty it would put us in 9th postion before even looking at the full list.

So 9th in net spend list or lower to totally change the squad....

Im really not sure why you keep mentioning Moyes as a reference? Transfer fees have increased as have the circumstances of the squad -- there is literally NO ONE to sell other than 3 old moyes defenders and Mirallas to generate any balance on net spend....if anything thats Moyes fault for not leaving a younger side with more value....

Yes, I'd say that the 10's of millions that we have spent, often without selling, can be considered a significant net spend.

When I mention our regression, it's regression from where Moyes had us. That's why I keep mentioning him, and because he was at a far greater disadvantage than Martinez, as he was operating at a time when we had negative net spends and were bottom of the net spend league table. This disadvantage does not apply to Martinez! And yet we have regressed to what looks like two bottom half finishes in a row under him, something which never happened under Moyes despite the constraints he was operating under.

 

[Goat]

That was insanity....

22 players Zatman, regardless of net spend, Moyes, Walker, Smith, Moshiri, Chelsea, Wigan or Mark Clattenburg.

The Manager has been able to sign 22 new players in his 3 years at the club, thats an entire squad of players, hes taken us from 6th to 12th.

I only deal with FACTS here.

 

[davek]

Eh? Do you not understand English that I am speaking?!

Everton have managed two league victories consecutively in a row, twice in the past 2 years, that is twice in the past 24 months.

If that continues over a ten year period we will have managed two consecutive League victories 10 times in 10 years.

Is that a model for success or something that will get us into being a Champions League club, as is the stated target by the manager?

Well? Don't give me an 'eh?' this time please.

...I'm more bothered about winning two consecutive cup victories from this point. If we get it, happy days!!

 

[Zatara]

Yes, I'd say that the 10's of millions that we have spent, often without selling, can be considered a significant net spend.

When I mention our regression, it's regression from where Moyes had us. That's why I keep mentioning him, and because he was at a far greater disadvantage than Martinez, as he was operating at a time when we had negative net spends and were bottom of the net spend league table. This disadvantage does not apply to Martinez! And yet we have regressed to what looks like two bottom half finishes in a row under him, something that never happened under Moyes despite the constraints he was operating under.

How do you think Moyes would have done with the same amounts of money bearing in mind the rise of transfer fees where a scott dann is valued at £20mil and Mori £9.5mil.

Also look at the players we had then + the ages. Moyes would also have had to do a major clearout....

Style of play has changed also as has the wave of youth signed in a short period.

Mori adapting
Stones and barkley developing
deulofeu developing
lukaku slated massively and now hero
besic and mccarthy both young
Galloway too

I couldnt see moyes signing the same calibre of player who are still 5+ years away from their peaks in most cases....

not in this timeframe and he never did in 11 seasons.

 

[DrEFC]

That was insanity....

Whatever was Alcaraz? The only decent player he brought from wigan was McCarthy. I don't think Robles is the answer but happy to see him in goal this season.

 

[Zatara]

22 players Zatman, regardless of net spend, Moyes, Walker, Smith, Moshiri, Chelsea, Wigan or Mark Clattenburg.

The Manager has been able to sign 22 new players in his 3 years at the club, thats an entire squad of players, hes taken us from 6th to 12th.

I only deal with FACTS here.

Silly billy...im off to bed.

140am here and have a flight on the morrow.

 

[Zatara]

Whatever was Alcaraz? The only decent player he brought from wigan was McCarthy. I don't think Robles is the answer but happy to see him in goal this season.

Alcaraz also praised on here when signed and i was going mental. Still, free transfer £10k a week...no massive shakes financially.

 

[Goat]

How do you think Moyes would have done with the same amounts of money bearing in mind the rise of transfer fees where a scott dann is valued at £20mil and Mori £9.5mil.

Also look at the players we had then + the ages. Moyes would also have had to do a major clearout....

Style of play has changed also as has the wave of youth signed in a short period.

Mori adapting
Stones and barkley developing
deulofeu developing
lukaku slated massively and now hero
besic and mccarthy both young
Galloway too

I couldnt see moyes signing the same calibre of player who are still 5+ years away from their peaks in most cases....

not in this timeframe and he never did in 11 seasons.

I dont care how Moyes would have done, nor do I care how Vitor would have done, we do not have to imagine a world in which Martinez takes us from 6th to 12th, cos its a reality we are currently balls deep in Zatman.

 

[DrEFC]

How do you think Moyes would have done with the same amounts of money bearing in mind the rise of transfer fees where a scott dann is valued at £20mil and Mori £9.5mil.

Also look at the players we had then + the ages. Moyes would also have had to do a major clearout....

Style of play has changed also as has the wave of youth signed in a short period.

Mori adapting
Stones and barkley developing
deulofeu developing
lukaku slated massively and now hero
besic and mccarthy both young
Galloway too

I couldnt see moyes signing the same calibre of player who are still 5+ years away from their peaks in most cases....

not in this timeframe and he never did in 11 seasons.

Why just make stuff up? He signed plenty before their peak. Who peaked with us. Arteta Cahill Lescot Jags baines.

 

[DrEFC]

Alcaraz also praised on here when signed and i was going mental. Still, free transfer £10k a week...no massive shakes financially.

Who's praised him? People probably had thought he'd be back up. That's it. He was dredge.

 

[Goat]

Why just make stuff up? He signed plenty before their peak. Who peaked with us. Arteta Cahill Lescot Jags baines.

People feel as tho they need to attack Moyes in order to make El Fraudo seem better.

The facts are quite simple, both managers did some amazing work in the transfer windows, both signed outstanding players for good money and both built a great squad.

Moyes managed to get us 5 Semi Finals and a final, CL football and kept us ticking over from 4th to 8th.
Martinez has managed 2 Semi Finals and kept us ticking over from 5th to 12th.

I only want to talk about FACTS.

 

[davek]

During the talk of Noel and Moores we had Martinez pleading with Kenwright to stay on "Whatever the investment or whatever the situation is in the future, in 10 or 15 years I would love to see Everton benefit from our chairman for the rest of his life.” Obviously worried about his job. I love how you have developed such a deep respect for our Chairman Dave. For the past 7 years you haven't had a good thing to say for Kenwright and now you feel that McNulty is acting in an indefensible manner on his personal twitter account.

Lol. I am aware of the way it looks. But I'm not particularly bothered about him impugning BK, more that he's a BBC editor who thinks it's within his remit to pass snotty asides about the way Everton are run.

First tweet he implies that Kenwright is a puppet and hopes/'assumes' Moshiri will come in and undermine and humiliate this current chairman by sacking a manager that 'our Phil' clearly cannot stand.

Second tweet he uses what can only be considered inappropriate language for someone in his position with regard to the closeness of the bond between club chairman and manager.

Forget the Martinez debate, that is bang out of order. Hopefully someone from the club is telling him that right now. As said, he'd never use that language with his BBC hat on, because he knows it'd cause him a lot of trouble. He's snided it on twitter instead...which doesn't surprise me. Its just about his style.