Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Well we need to start analysing and judging these players as much as the manager is analysed and judged. They are hiding behind the flak he's getting and aren't putting it in.

Annnnnnnd we're back to the players again. Thought they were playing some top grade stuff?

Anywho, you mean like when Lukaku pleaded with martinez to do something to help him score more?

Ever thought, david, that the players look jaded or shadows of their former selves because of martinez's tactics?

Liverpool, United, Chelsea, City and Arsenal wont be getting 72 points this season....THAT"S how tough it is.

Why dod you hate the fact Everton achieved that total so much? It sounds like you're determined to run down your own football team because you have an irrational hatred of its manager.

That's pretty sad.

I tell you what's sad.

The fact that our squad....The one you laud for getting the 72pts.....The one you say plays some lovely stuff....The one you say martinez will get us that total again....Hasn't capitalised on the fact that the other teams haven't got anywhere's near those 72pts this season with what he's got at his disposal.

Just because they haven't or won't is no excuse. No excuse at all.

THAT'S pretty sad.

 

[ianefc]

Moyes looked like he'd been walking a desert wasteland for 1000 years after only a few months in the job.

At UTD?

 

[griffla]

btw is it now only me, @davek, and @BlueToff who don't want him sacked on here?

God no.

 

[maccavennie]

Moyes looked like he'd been walking a desert wasteland for 1000 years after only a few months in the job.

lol

 

[Stan Lee Park]

Maybe. Dunno.

But I think a lot of blues want him to succeed, but based on the body of evidence, many feel he does not have the ability to do so.

Dave made an excellent point, which I accepted, and that was that Martinez seems to be being judged against targets that other managers have not been.

So, fair enough. See what this season actually turns up. Hand him a budget, (he has mainly bought well), and set a realistic target.

We have all seen what he can do. And also his annoying tendencies. Put him under pressure, and see. Think he has justified that. Just.

I'm a bit baffled by this line of reasoning. Martinez is being judged against what we had for 10 years before he arrived - a consistent performance in the league finishing 4th - 8th; some interesting forays into Europe and the odd trip to Wembley. He's done OKish in Europe and the cups but has taken us backwards in the League. This reminds all of us of his time at Wigan and we've seen and remembered what happened there

 

[DanEFC92]

Baines is shot mate. Not at the races. Coleman only looks decent when Lennon is grafting in front of him.

We really need to drop this conceit that because they have international caps and they've been good in the past that they are either good enough or playing well enough anymore. They evidently are not. Oviedo was keeping Baines out until he picked an injury up and Byram was coming in to take Coleman's spot.

Want us to improve? Well we need to start analysing and judging these players as much as the manager is analysed and judged. They are hiding behind the flak he's getting and aren't putting it in.

Baines was excellent against Chelsea in the league and in the cup recently, hasn't been like his old self but has been injured. Hardly the cause of our defensive woes but because he came out and said a bad word about the tactics, he's getting the brunt of your stick.

Byram is absolutely toilet and wouldn't get in the team ahead of Coleman.

 

[GwladysBlue]

Baines is shot mate. Not at the races. Coleman only looks decent when Lennon is grafting in front of him.

We really need to drop this conceit that because they have international caps and they've been good in the past that they are either good enough or playing well enough anymore. They evidently are not. Oviedo was keeping Baines out until he picked an injury up and Byram was coming in to take Coleman's spot.

Want us to improve? Well we need to start analysing and judging these players as much as the manager is analysed and judged. They are hiding behind the flak he's getting and aren't putting it in.

So much irony in this post I actually laughed.

You apply this logic to the players, yet you constantly bleat on about Martinez getting 72 points in one season out of his entire career (Both here and previously). In the two seasons following we have been in the bottom half and won four home league games in a calendar year.

Dave, c'mon pal, it is time to drop this act now.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Liverpool, United, Chelsea, City and Arsenal wont be getting 72 points this season....THAT"S how tough it is.

Why do you hate the fact Everton achieved that total so much? It sounds like you're determined to run down your own football team because you have an irrational hatred of its manager.

That's pretty sad.

Hahaha - Dave don't go there mate....Or I will vault you a thousand times over

 

[davek]

@davek I'm not sure how you could argue with this paragraph


Bravo @Whistlin' Dixie

It's desperate cry baby stuff from someone who knows they cant get their own way.

It's a strange world when you and others are motivated not because you want the best for Everton. but because you hate its manager.

I just dont get it. Then again, I think that a certain level of loyalty to an Everton manager is required., especially one who has recorded our best PL season and has us within reach of ending a 21 year trophy drought.

 

[Matty_j1878]

Moyes looked like he'd been walking a desert wasteland for 1000 years after only a few months in the job.

Christ what would Pellegrini look like should he take over? haha

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Moyes looked like he'd been walking a desert wasteland for 1000 years after only a few months in the job.

Looked nothing like this fella....

 

[rochdaleblue]

Liverpool, United, Chelsea, City and Arsenal wont be getting 72 points this season....THAT"S how tough it is.

Why do you hate the fact Everton achieved that total so much? It sounds like you're determined to run down your own football team because you have an irrational hatred of its manager.

That's pretty sad.

People comment on what they see. Martinez was quite rightly lauded after his first season with us, even though in the cup competitions we were poor. Last season was a real anti-climax, a good run in the Europa league was offset by a dismal league campaign, but many supporters were worried what they were seeing in the league campaign, but the majority saw our participation in Europe as an excuse. This year Martinez has no excuses. He has one of the best forwards in Europe at his disposal and yet we for the second successive season are languishing in the bottom half of the league. I really hope we win the FA cup in particular for our younger fan base who are probably too young to remember our last silverware. However this should not cloud the judgement of our league performances and for that reason alone, it is why I and many fans think Martinez needs replacing for next year.

 

[davek]

So much irony in this post I actually laughed.

You apply this logic to the players, yet you constantly bleat on about Martinez getting 72 points in one season out of his entire career (Both here and previously). In the two seasons following we have been in the bottom half and won four home league games in a calendar year.

Dave, c'mon pal, it is time to drop this act now.

It is a conceit. Coleman and Baines have stunk. Sorry, I dont think any Everton player not pulling out games consistently should be called on it. And anyone who says either of those two have been consistently decent this season are having a laugh. They are consistently bang average to appalling.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

It's desperate cry baby stuff from someone who knows they cant get their own way.

It's a strange world when you and others are motivated not because you want the best for Everton. but because you hate its manager.

I just dont get it. Then again, I think that a certain level of loyalty to an Everton manager is required., especially one who has recorded our best PL season and has us within reach of ending a 21 year trophy drought.

Again with the personal attacks.

Face it david, you're visibly beaten. Give it up for the sake of your mental wellbeing.

 

[neo2020]

btw is it now only me, @davek, and @BlueToff who don't want him sacked on here?

I want him to be given time to finish the excellent squad building job he's done and convert our predominantly strong performances into results.