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Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

Martinez in or out?

  • In

  • Out

  • Getting splinters eating cheese on toast on the fence

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ianefc said:
@Prevenger17 and @mkrudden along with @paulbefc an @Moomin possibly @Titus Bramble

I think @BlueToff is done with him, though. You're only a couple short of a cult xi
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I wouldn't sack him now because I don't really see the point, a new manager at this stage of the season won't have time to get things going I don't reckon, apart from the usual 2/3 game upturn in form a new manager normally brings.

He's done well in the cups, we seem to have our best/most effective performances saved up for the one off games. Let's see what we do at Wembley.

Saying that, I wouldn't be surprised/upset if he was sacked in the summer. I wouldn't necessarily be chuffed either, I'm very 'meh' towards him at the moment.
 
Whistlin' Dixie said:
Why? Not as if he's had NO money. Has he had a barren window up to now? We used to have loads of them. He's bought good players but they're all individual. Martinez really ought to have moulded them into a team by now.

Because he hasn't, I see no reason to believe that he will in future.
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Oh I have my doubts, for sure.

But I have also seen the kernel of a good manager, all be it, one that actually has never been under any real pressure. He has shown he can manage. He has also shown he can be an infuriating, stubborn, "theory" obsessed one.

Put him under pressure. See if he can hack it. And deliver.
 
roydo said:
one that actually has never been under any real pressure.
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He was under pressure to keep wigan up more than he was to win them the cup.

He's a single-tracked manager, who focuses on cup competitions rather than the league. If we go out in the semi you'll see our league form improve because that's all he'll have to concentrate on.

I guarantee our league form will be as poor - if not poorer - than it is now, if we make the final.

There is no 'as well as' with the man. It is just all 'either/or'
 
Does anyone think the stress is getting to Martinez. When you look at him when he joined. He looks like he's literally been tearing his hair out.

From this
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To this

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And for anyone else who's noticed its coincided with Murr's hair loss on Impractical Jokers.

I don't see that as a coincidence.
 

[QUOTE="davek said:
I see, it's ok to bring Martinez's non-Everton league form in but you cant register his cup winning season.

Convenient.


You make it sound like it's a virtue sacking managers. It's seen as a problem by most, not a matter of course that we should naturally mimic. In any case, isn't that what makes Everton one of those clubs that sticks out: our tendency not to kneejerk? (Not that you'd know at the moment like with fans in full Geordie mode).
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davek said:
I see, it's ok to bring Martinez's non-Everton league form in but you cant register his cup winning season.

Convenient.


You make it sound like it's a virtue sacking managers. It's seen as a problem by most, not a matter of course that we should naturally mimic. In any case, isn't that what makes Everton one of those clubs that sticks out: our tendency not to kneejerk? (Not that you'd know at the moment like with fans in full Geordie mode).
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Sticking with a manager is virtuous, it is ridiculous how quickly some clubs sack their manager.

But there reaches a point when it is right to move on. Obviously you don't feel that we have reached that point yet. From you forum posts, I get the impression (I may be wrong) that you would only relieve Roberto of his duties if we got dragged in a relegation battle, a genuine threat that we go down.

But if Moshiri has any ambition for the club, surely his target will be more than avoiding a relegation battle. Surely, if he is going to invest in the club and wants us to progress he will want the club to be in the top half minimum. Can you see the club massively backing Martinez in the summer with no pressure to finish in the top 7?

I mean, I can't think of an example of an investor who has come in, invested and been happy to stick with the manager regardless of where they finish in the league.

Even if we win the FA Cup but end up taking this seasons league form into next season, can you really see the club giving him the whole season? If the club were bottom half at Christmas and well of the pace, would you be surprised if the club parted company with him?

Because the way I see it, you would make no managerial change, even if our current league form continued indefinitely. Even if are in the same position this time next season, with just four home wins, after he has spent big in the summer you would still be against a change in the manager. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
tommye said:
The majority of our defence would slip seamlessly into pretty much every side in the league. The individual components are being woefully mismanaged by Bobby. He needs to up his game tbh.
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Baines is shot mate. Not at the races. Coleman only looks decent when Lennon is grafting in front of him.

We really need to drop this conceit that because they have international caps and they've been good in the past that they are either good enough or playing well enough anymore. They evidently are not. Oviedo was keeping Baines out until he picked an injury up and Byram was coming in to take Coleman's spot.

Want us to improve? Well we need to start analysing and judging these players as much as the manager is analysed and judged. They are hiding behind the flak he's getting and aren't putting it in.
 

Whistlin' Dixie said:
"It's the Tv money's fault" he protested.

So, we've had:

The board
The fans
The players
The officials
The programme vendors
The pitch dimensions
The material of the goal nets
The temperature of the water for the showers
The doctor's strike
Storm 'Katie'

And now it's the TV money

I may have made one or two of them up, but you're rapidly running out of increasingly desperate excuses. I wouldn't be surprised to see you use one of the more outlandish ones above (or similar) in the not too distant future. Anything but martinez.

The ONLY reason teams are passing us is martinez's woeful mismanagement. THAT'S the 'inconvenient truth' , mister. You don't get your 72pts with a pile o' cack, then - with the same players, plus a few more of your own - struggle to reach a total of 25pts LESS for the entire season AND blame it on other clubs spending money like it's going out of fashion.

Leicester look like they can achieve 72pts within the next three games, they haven't broke the bleedin' bank.
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Liverpool, United, Chelsea, City and Arsenal wont be getting 72 points this season....THAT"S how tough it is.

Why do you hate the fact Everton achieved that total so much? It sounds like you're determined to run down your own football team because you have an irrational hatred of its manager.

That's pretty sad.
 
ianefc said:
Does anyone think the stress is getting to Martinez. When you look at him when he joined. He looks like he's literally been tearing his hair out.

And for anyone else who's noticed its coincided with Murr's hair loss on Impractical Jokers.

I don't see that as a coincidence.
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Moyes looked like he'd been walking a desert wasteland for 1000 years after only a few months in the job.
 

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