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Give him time and he will spend 300 million and relegate us..........Chalk and cheese.
Until Martinez spends £300M and wins nothing it'll remain that way too. A bogus 'comparison' if ever there were one.
You had two options there: either a) take on board an independent article's evaluation of Everton's season being one of a tale of underachievement in the PL and achievement in the cup competitions; or b ) you could ignore that and attack me for quoting a line from it.The 'pat on the head' from the condescending punditry that you were so desperately craving. The only glimmer of hope (IF you can call it that -it's nothing more than a thinly-veiled, backhanded compliment) in an otherwise grim bit of reading.
No bookie would have given odds that you'd highlight that single line. You'd have had to place the equivalent of the national debt to win a penny.
But you did it, nonetheless. And in doing so, have shown what you're about. More than happy with the 'entertainers' euphemism.
Lose on Sunday and don't win either the derby or Watford and that pin head becomes a hole mate.A game in hand on WBA and two games in hand on Swansea and B'mouth.
The table is squeezed between 9th and 12th. A win here and a loss there turns the table on its head again. It was only a month ago when a win from us and losses around us put us top 7. It's all head of a pin stuff. You cant say below those in the European spots that one team is clearly better than others in and around them...or where they'll finish.
Serious question. Would you accept the FA Cup and relegation? We would still be fighting for europe.It doesn't, but I guarantee a Martinez: Post FA Cup victory poll would represent quite a reversal of the tide, wouldn't you agree? People are complaining that we're not fighting for Europe? We are. We're not fighting for trophies? We are for the first time in a few years, and it will be true up until the point we're knocked out of the FA Cup or win it. Let's relax until then. People can explain our home form in any number of ways but, personally, I'm a great believer that all the negative juju isn't doing much to help our team. Football has become so short term, 3 years wasn't always considered a long time.
So your conclusion is not to try and see what Martinez could do with that extra cash that's (apparently) coming, regardless of how successful he's been in the transfer market thus far, and hand it to someone else who may or may not make a success of it?I agree I just think with the new owner we should be showing ambition and getting a manager in who has a good record of winning cups AND finishing strongly in the league. Newcastle have been whipping boys in the league for years and are in line for relegation yet have just hired a manager that's won trophies, league titles and a champions league (whilst finishing 2nd in the prem one year).
I think unless Martinez can deliver the cup this year then he doesn't deserve a 4th season based on the previous 2, we should offer big money and a big transfer kitty to an Emery, Hiddink, Mancini, Koeman, Pellegrini heck even a risk young manager like De Boer. I think it's doing us as a historically massive club a huge disservice to hold onto a bloke who looks to not be turning things around.
Heck even West Ham dropped Big Sam and they haven't looked back.
A game in hand on WBA and two games in hand on Swansea and B'mouth.
The table is squeezed between 9th and 12th. A win here and a loss there turns the table on its head again. It was only a month ago when a win from us and losses around us put us top 7. It's all head of a pin stuff. You cant say below those in the European spots that one team is clearly better than others in and around them...or where they'll finish.
Would you accept the FA Cup and relegation?
A game in hand on WBA and two games in hand on Swansea and B'mouth.
The table is squeezed between 9th and 12th. A win here and a loss there turns the table on its head again. It was only a month ago when a win from us and losses around us put us top 7. It's all head of a pin stuff. You cant say below those in the European spots that one team is clearly better than others in and around them...or where they'll finish.
You had two options there: either a) take on board an independent article's evaluation of Everton's season being one of a tale of underachievement in the PL and achievement in the cup competitions; or b ) you could ignore that and attack me for quoting a line from it.
It says a lot about the desperation of the dissenters beating their heads against a brick wall that you chose the latter. I realise it's frustrating for people who dont want to show loyalty to our manager that independent news sources dont confirm their prejudices on him and the team's season, but maybe try and show a bit of objectivity and recognise that there's more to this situation than conforming your own beliefs in an echo chamber.
To be honest Dave I think any decision has been made long ago when Mosh joined as to whether he stays or goes and anything that happens in the rest of the season isn't going to influence it either way. My opinion of course.So your conclusion is not to try and see what Martinez could do with that extra cash that's (apparently) coming, regardless of how successful he's been in the transfer market thus far, and hand it to someone else who may or may not make a success of it?
The only appropriate way forward would be to let Martinez continue this squad strengthening and see how he can utilise it. If he cant, then he cant and you go from there.
Any other approach is ludicrous and fraught with difficulty.
Christ using that City games last ten minutes as evidence of anything positive, did you watch it dave, City effecitvely let us keep the ball and pass it around the last ten minutes - no pressure from them, no closing down like earlier in the game - they had settled for the 2-1 scoreline and it was bleeding obvious to anyone watching that they had done.
Yes we where fitter than Chelsea - then again we had 7 days rest and Chelsea has 3 days after their gruelling second leg against PSG gpoing into that game - which some unbiased people may say had some effect on the last 15 minutes energy levels for both teams
As for all this crap about 'leaders', and blaming Jagielka, here is some news for you mate, Martinez is the manager and it follows that with that he is the leader of this team, so why not start the blame game right at his doorstep instead of at the player HE is picking and who HE has left and endorsed repeatedly as HIS captain, do i think he is a good Caprain - ofc i don't - do i think he is worse in that role than martinez is in his - nope their both useless leaders, both should be relieved as you stated of that duty
Oh last little thing btw, City as i said let us keep ball the last ten minutes at the score being 2-1 and subsequently smashed us all voer the shop at their ground, and we looked dead on our feet the last 30 minutes of that game - when it actually mattered mate
I've been asked this a million times. No.
But we're not going to get relegated. There's a lot of people who laugh at Dave when he posits that 5th is about as good as 15th. In my mind, he's spot on. We don't win anything coming 5th. All 5th represents is that we put a good few wins together and people went home from matchday happier more often than not. The general mood is better, but what have we achieved? The square root of eff all. It seems that a lot of people differ with me on this, but I would trade in 5th place for a trophy every day of the week, without question.
Martinez has resurrected a football club from the ashes with sheer force of will down at Swansea; he led a team from a one horse town to the biggest domestic cup in world football against the most expensively assembled squad in the world; then he reconfigured Moyes' team and led them in a new direction to achieve the club's best PL performance. Do yourself a favour mate - try and take the edge off your obvious hatred for this manager and look for a little balance.