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Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

Martinez in or out?

  • In

  • Out

  • Getting splinters eating cheese on toast on the fence

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Thomasc said:
Of course not, why would I possibly want that?

I want us to win the FA cup, finish as high as possible and the club to progress.

However, I feel under this man this is not going to be possible as his tactics, results and performance absolutely sucks! A point you seem to be missing in your blind rage against the people who can see this.
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BlueToff said:
Rom hasn't left yet.

We'll see what the summer brings. If he does go we'll get a huge sum.

If we had finished 5th this season, I still think Rom would be looking for a move - though admittedly it would be easier to maybe convince him not to.

As always though, it's this mentality (not just with you in particular) of looking to blame one entity.

The fact remains is that isn't the case.

As poor as Martinez has been at times (and he has been, especially in the home games anyway), the players also must shoulder blame - and we've had awful luck in decisions that haven't gone our way that have clearly changed results.

My current stance on RM is that I'm swaying towards OUT. But I don't see anything changing between now and the end of the season.

Come May, we may well have won the FA Cup and have finished top 8.

We may not have done. Only time will tell.
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A lot of it does fall on the manager though. If the team consistently play badly, its the managers instructions. If the young players aren't developing, or making too many mistakes, its the managers hand picked coaches, if things don't change, its only the manager.

I have said it before, if Moyes had not stayed for 11 years then there would be a lot less excuses for Roberto, it is almost like it is a false sense of comfort that has been developed as a result, happy to want to give him time yet ignoring the negatives that more time will bring. Lukaku is gone, he is rightly wanting to leave the club which i won't hold against him. But that is another point i have repeated for so long now, our best players will leave us because of it, we won;t be able to attract better players for all the money in the world because when watford / WBA / swansea are seen as just as good as us then its a pretty poor standard.

All roberto has to do is win games, that is it, when he fails to do that, he isn;t doing his job.
 
Ashtonian said:
Personally i am not arsed about points, its about position for me. 7th for example in my eyes is a fine position simply because that is generally where we finished for a long time so that doesn't concern me. What does concern me is that only 2 of our league wins have come from a team not in the bottom 3 at the time of playing, which doesn't fill me with confidence that we will suddenly learn how to win games.

It is when you are lower than you should be that the positions hit home, west brom should not be above us, swansea were bottom three not long ago, in fact lose on sunday and the league positional wise could look even worse, 15th for example. A team with a striker on 26 goals should not be 12-15th in the league, serious questions need to be asked about that.
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Well we are 12th with a game in hand. But it's interesting you can see context to our wins but not to any other part of our league position.
 

nsno-chris said:
We have decisions go for us; anyway its irrelevant because the overall performance of the team and the management as been absolutely horrid and any manager should be dragged over the coals for that.

I hate the argument over decisions, the Chelsea one for example; it should never have gotten to that. We had command of the game and threw it away.
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Seriously. Away to Chelsea and we drew thanks to a deflected goal and a terrible decision. If your analysis is 'we threw it away" then fair enough. But that sounds ever so slightly skewered to me
 
oldblue said:
Well we are 12th with a game in hand. But it's interesting you can see context to our wins but not to any other part of our league position.
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If anything, the context of our wins is more damning than where we are. IF sunderland/Villa/Newcastle had not been so awful for 2 years running then we would already be in a relegation battle, and at least 2 of them are dropping this year and our 26 goals are leaving.....
 
oldblue said:
Seriously. Away to Chelsea and we drew thanks to a deflected goal and a terrible decision. If your analysis is 'we threw it away" then fair enough. But that sounds ever so slightly skewered to me
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and we drew away at City due to a terrible decision in our favour mate, decisions happen to every single team - the better teams find a way of overcoming them not letting them quickly become an excuse week in week out for a failiure to see games out
 

Ashtonian said:
If anything, the context of our wins is more damning than where we are. IF sunderland/Villa/Newcastle had not been so awful for 2 years running then we would already be in a relegation battle, and at least 2 of them are dropping this year and our 26 goals are leaving.....
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So now you've moved back to damning him with things that haven't happened. And yet we're not allowed to look at the context of results.
You said we were 12 to 15th which is actually true, but if I'd said we were currently 8th to 12th do you think this may have displayed bias?
 
oldblue said:
Seriously. Away to Chelsea and we drew thanks to a deflected goal and a terrible decision. If your analysis is 'we threw it away" then fair enough. But that sounds ever so slightly skewered to me
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But if we don't celebrate like we have just won the league when taking the lead against Chelsea and Bournemouth then the added time isn't added on and them equalizers don't happen whether offside or not. They just don't happen.
 

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