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Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

Martinez in or out?

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But if we don't celebrate like we have just won the league when taking the lead against Chelsea and Bournemouth then the added time isn't added on and them equalizers don't happen whether offside or not. They just don't happen.
Fair enough. I'm not sure that Martinez ordered them to do that though or that fans felt that was a mistake. I've been watching since though and not seen time added on to that extent in any games for celebrations. And also we didn't actually make a mistake against Chelsea. We played offside and somehow they didn't spot it.
 
Toe curling.

It's been a futile two week rant from the usual suspects on here. In reality our club preoccupies itself day to day with matters quite unrelated to any fanciful notions of managerial change. Never mind though: 'the out votes on here have increased at a higher rate'.

*sigh*
Ah right, what position on the board do you hold to know what they're discussing?
 
Fair enough. I'm not sure that Martinez ordered them to do that though or that fans felt that was a mistake. I've been watching since though and not seen time added on to that extent in any games for celebrations. And also we didn't actually make a mistake against Chelsea. We played offside and somehow they didn't spot it.
Agreed I've seen some games where nothing has been added for it but you have no complaints if it is. Agreed not Bobby's fault.
 
and we drew away at City due to a terrible decision in our favour mate, decisions happen to every single team - the better teams find a way of overcoming them not letting them quickly become an excuse week in week out for a failiure to see games out
Yep. And we've been lucky in the cup. Luck plays a part. But it doesn't even out. And it hasn't in my analysis of the season. Maybe this should be built in. But if we're condemning him on places based on a handful of points then it's a factor and to say it isn't is simply not true.
 

So now you've moved back to damning him with things that haven't happened. And yet we're not allowed to look at the context of results.
You said we were 12 to 15th which is actually true, but if I'd said we were currently 8th to 12th do you think this may have displayed bias?

Here is the thing though, we are 8 points off 8th place. We are 2 off 15th, hell depending on results we could swing to being closer to 16th than 8th come monday morning. This isnt condeming him with things that havent happened, it is the fact that in this very position, in April now, were we can look at potentially dropping down further than last year, it isn't hard to make assumptions on how the season will go.

the fact is in 29 games, we have only won a third of the games played rough maths there, not even a third exactly but not far off. anyway, it isnt hard to guess we would then only win another 3 games all season, perhaps draw a few in the process, lose a few also. For the leagure to look anywhere near acceptable we nee dto be pulling in 7 wins out of the 9 remaining, minimum, do you think we are going to do that? I mean i said win 9 games back in february, and we have won none since i said that, so not a knee jerk to not have faith.

But yeah, 2 off 15th, 8 off 8th, we certainly arent 8-12th.
 
Seriously. Away to Chelsea and we drew thanks to a deflected goal and a terrible decision. If your analysis is 'we threw it away" then fair enough. But that sounds ever so slightly skewered to me

Oh sorry, we're we not 2 goals up and in total command of the tie??? My mistake, please tell me how it was??

Chelsea, one game. How many other so called decisions have derailed our season?? Did these bad decisions have such am impact on us that the performance of the players have resulted in us winning only 4 league games at home and conceding a ridiculous amount of goals.

Yeah thought not
 
But yeah, 2 off 15th, 8 off 8th, we certainly arent 8-12th.
Game in hand at least on most around us. And great goal difference. But you're right we could lose every game and then I'd imagine he'd look very bad. Feel free to say told you so at that point, but I'd kind of hope neither of us want that happening
 

Oh sorry, we're we not 2 goals up and in total command of the tie??? My mistake, please tell me how it was??

Chelsea, one game. How many other so called decisions have derailed our season?? Did these bad decisions have such am impact on us that the performance of the players have resulted in us winning only 4 league games at home and conceding a ridiculous amount of goals.

Yeah thought not
Two goals up away to Chelsea. That sounds fantastic. Some team. But they'd better make sure they know where every deflected shot will go and they'd better make sure the referee and linesman know the rules.
 
Game in hand at least on most around us. And great goal difference. But you're right we could lose every game and then I'd imagine he'd look very bad. Feel free to say told you so at that point, but I'd kind of hope neither of us want that happening

When that game in hand is at the pit mate, i don't for one hold out much hope of it improving our points total in the slightest
 
Two goals up away to Chelsea. That sounds fantastic. Some team. But they'd better make sure they know where every deflected shot will go and they'd better make sure the referee and linesman know the rules.

You're hanging on to one game, what about the rest of the stuff I mentioned. Ignore that, yep it's the easiest and focus on one game.

We've won 4 league home games all season and played some torrid football at times. Excuses below please???
 
Two goals up away to Chelsea. That sounds fantastic. Some team. But they'd better make sure they know where every deflected shot will go and they'd better make sure the referee and linesman know the rules.

Thing is mate we did have bad luck with the deflected goal, but how about after conceding that we don't concede another within 2 minutes - the second goal is the one that had people rightly annoyed as hell

same way the second goal against west ham did etc, the first you can say yeah - thats football - but then to concede again so quickly afterwards is the sign that the team just isn't prepared right at all
 

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