Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[willo30]

I tell you something mate: there was a lot of concern over who could keep the plate spinning after Moyes left that summer. If you''d have told Evertonians then that his successor would come in and in his first season put a record 72 points and 5th spot on the table and that in season two we'd finish 11th, and that by season three the quality of football would surpass anything we've seen since the 80s, though the current table position hadn't shifted, they'd have accepted that in a great big hurry.

We'll see where we are at the end of the season position wise. But back in the summer of 2013 when Moyes frigged off most would have snatched your hand off for two top half finishes in three seasons.

Lest we forget.

But nobody told anyone that as it's impossible. My point is that we seemed to have a shortlist of Martinez and Vitor. Are they really the best we could have attracted? Now maybe I'm just delusional and thought we are bigger than these types of managers at the time. Forget about the last 2 and a half seasons and think back to his appointment was he really the best we could have attracted? Out of the whole of world football was he the one?

 

[davek]

I think we do have a great team I hope Martinez can get it right I hope he does. We play great attacking football but that's only half of it. The argument is there that it's more exciting and entertaining. I tell ye as an Evertonian a solid 1 nill win excited me and thrilled me a million times more than a 3-3 or 4-3 loss ever could. You'll say he will will get it right but that's anybodies guess it's just speculation it's not fact. You are banking on imaginary future outcomes. I think.it's possible Martinez can furniture around put I can't really use it as an argument

My main gripe is you are stonchly against Moyes in everyway and you are the polar opposite this way about Martinez. But there are contradictions on this way of argument. You are giving Martinez all the breaks and you don't give Moyes the steam of your piss.

Moyes was a dullard manager. Moyes deserves nothing other than a kick in the bollocks for what he did when he left this club.

He's a non person. An utter scumbag who stabbed Everton in the back.

 

[davek]

But nobody told anyone that as it's impossible. My point is that we seemed to have a shortlist of Martinez and Vitor. Are they really the best we could have attracted? Now maybe I'm just delusional and thought we are bigger than these types of managers at the time. Forget about the last 2 and a half seasons and think back to his appointment was he really the best we could have attracted? Out of the whole of world football was he the one?

Well who do you propose we should have got?

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Moyes was a dullard manager. Moyes deserves nothing other than a kick in the bollocks for what he did when he left this club.

He's a non person. An utter scumbag who stabbed Everton in the back.

Wow.

How ridiculous are you here?

Go to bed dave, you're drunk.

 

[ianefc]

Well who do you propose we should have got?

Zola

 

[GrandOldTeam]

In all seriousness @davek - as I've said previously, I'm getting a bit fed up of you manopolising threads.

Take a breath, articulate your posts and make use of the multi quote feature if needs be. Stop this though...

 

[davek]

There is a fair discussion on both sides. Without question the squad and football has improved the frustration is that we should be doing a lot better re position backed up by some horrific stats etc. But..we should perhaps give more time to see if the potential he built can be realised.

Exactly. I wouldn't argue with that.

There's an enormous and growing (and loathsome) sense of entitlement in this support base.

"But we've got good players, we should be in the CL spots...look at Leicester....whine whine whine"

It's kopite behaviour.

 

[davek]

In all seriousness @davek - as I've said previously, I'm getting a bit fed up of you manopolising threads.

Take a breath, articulate your posts and make use of the multi quote feature if needs be. Stop this though...

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I have no idea how to use that feature.

Monopolising: I'm trying not to ignore anyone who's had the courtesy to reply to my responses. I'm honestly not doing it to clog up a thread.

 

[davek]

Wow.

How ridiculous are you here?

Go to bed dave, you're drunk.

I dont think I'm alone in with those thoughts, tbh.

 

[davek]

Zola

Ridiculous.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I have no idea how to use that feature.

Monopolising: I'm trying not to ignore anyone who's had the courtesy to reply to my responses. I'm honestly not doing it to clog up a thread.

I see.

3m15s onwards ->

Learn it please.

 

[willo30]

Well who do you propose we should have got?

Off the top of my head I would have gone for Mancini.

If we are not big enough for the likes of him then I have seriously gotton wrong where I see Everton in the global game now.

 

[UpperLeftBlue]

Yeah, if. Keeping reading this 2 letter word which is tiny yet hugely significant.

It's like if we didn't concede so many goals we'd be in the top 4.

But we do and we aren't.

I would look at the track record Martinez has of addressing problems with the players and the team:

When he was criticized for, rightly, for the lethargic form that his possession based tactics caused last year, he got a response that saw us spend less time in possession and attack on the counter more often. It also got us a good run of points.

When Barkley's form dipped last season, a lot here wondered about Martinez' role in that and response to it. The turn around that Barkley has made this year is astonishing, and I've no doubt that Martinez has a big hand in this success.

Ditto for Stones, Barry, Kone, Lukaku.

Martinez has already shown that he is committed to working out the defense. The past few matches have seen a lot tighter organization and better discipline from all positions. I believe that improvement, if it is sustained in either level or rate, justifies the continued loyalty of the fans and ownership. Martinez is not perfect, but his responses to criticism and his acknowledgement of weakness through clear changes in practice tell me he is getting better all the time. The results, I think, will follow.

 

[USABlue]

Completely level:
Who wouldn't have been a gamble? Vitor? Someone else that has never managed in England? Obviously you're not referring to the merry-go-round British managers.
Who would have come to us and wouldn't have been a gamble?

REDKNAPP OR WOY COULD DO A JOB MATE NO MORE OFF THIS TIKI TAKI RUBBISH

 

[The Equaliser]

I would look at the track record Martinez has of addressing problems with the players and the team:

When he was criticized for, rightly, for the lethargic form that his possession based tactics caused last year, he got a response that saw us spend less time in possession and attack on the counter more often. It also got us a good run of points.

When Barkley's form dipped last season, a lot here wondered about Martinez' role in that and response to it. The turn around that Barkley has made this year is astonishing, and I've no doubt that Martinez has a big hand in this success.

Ditto for Stones, Barry, Kone, Lukaku.

Martinez has already shown that he is committed to working out the defense. The past few matches have seen a lot tighter organization and better discipline from all positions. I believe that improvement, if it is sustained in either level or rate, justifies the continued loyalty of the fans and ownership. Martinez is not perfect, but his responses to criticism and his acknowledgement of weakness through clear changes in practice tell me he is getting better all the time. The results, I think, will follow.

Some good points there about Barkley, etc. but as far as defending goes I wish I shared your optimism. Alas I don't, and believe we will always concede goals under Martinez - his record suggests that this is the case. Yes he will get bodies behind the ball when needs be; like last season when we were in spot of bother as far as the table was concerned and also recently when he finally copped on that we were losing games at home because we were unable to get the balance right between attacking and defending.

Maybe the penny has finally dropped with him that there needs to be this balance but it will take more evidence than wins against Carlisle and Newcastle for most of us to believe it.