Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[toffee matt]

If that is 100% correct, could somebody please let Mr Moshri know ASAP

F.moshiri@everton.com

 

[TheFinnFan]

Can't agree with this logic. 15th means you've been battling relegation, 7th means you're pushing for Europe. Huge, huge difference in those positions, not only in prize money but also in stature, attracting better players, giving the fans belief.

youre right. i was just teasing ijjy. *still not cheering for 7th place trophy

 

[Legend Barry Horne]

His record at everton certainly doesn't mean we owe him the sack. In any case. The seasons not jäger yet. If we get to the final (and certainly if we win it) his record at everton in three seasons will have been better than ANYONE could have expected in that time given he's establishing himself and his own squad in that period of time.

It's time to get real and get off that managers back. I sincerely hope that new feller isn't being swayed by the massive levels if entitlement his presence is prompting.

Need to back up these points with some fact / logic - and show some objectivity over time - at lot of time spent posting on here but lacking substance or meaning at present

 

[The Esk]

I don't recognise "the lynch mob" and its "recently found sense of entitlement" but just in case I am unwittingly a member, I first called for Martinez to go in May of last year (along with others).

The substance for wanting his removal is that Martinez does not possess the skills to take us where our ambitions lie, he's under-achieved for 2 years, as a result there's a danger of losing key members of the squad, and little chance of recruiting suitably ambitious players over the summer if he was to remain.

He's tactically naive, has little idea how to organise a defence, can't change the course of a match when under pressure and has overseen the development of a remarkable mental frailty in the squad.

Thus he represents a high and unacceptable level of risk when considering the investment to be made in the squad and future development plans.

He has, in my opinion, no future in a club harbouring CL and perhaps Premier League title ambitions in coming years.

 

[mmmmsnouts]

I think that term would be generous. The side this manager took over and the side he's since developed are far from mediocre, so Martinez's performance is better typified by the term "terrible" at this point.

Good point. The results are mediocre. The players are good to very good, but the manager is, to tweak a phrase from Randy Moss, "straight gash, homey."

 

[blue61]

Third highest win rate of any Everton manager ever at 44%.

To read some of this stuff you'd think we had Accrington Stanley's boss in charge. Utter hysteria.

Could you give us all the win percentage breakdown of each season which brings you to this figure please? I'm sure your findings will win you back hoards of plotters.

 

[kithnou]

I don't recognise "the lynch mob" and its "recently found sense of entitlement" but just in case I am unwittingly a member, I first called for Martinez to go in May of last year (along with others).

The substance for wanting his removal is that Martinez does not possess the skills to take us where our ambitions lie, he's under-achieved for 2 years, as a result there's a danger of losing key members of the squad, and little chance of recruiting suitably ambitious players over the summer if he was to remain.

He's tactically naive, has little idea how to organise a defence, can't change the course of a match when under pressure and has overseen a remarkable mental frailty in the squad.

Thus he represents a high and unacceptable level of risk when considering the investment to be made in the squad and future development plans.

He has, in my opinion, no future in a club harbouring CL and perhaps Premier League title ambitions in coming years.

One can hope the man about to spend a huge chunk of his personal wealth shares such ambitions for the Everton Football Club.

 

[The Penalty Box Dancer]

I don't recognise "the lynch mob" and its "recently found sense of entitlement" but just in case I am unwittingly a member, I first called for Martinez to go in May of last year (along with others).

The substance for wanting his removal is that Martinez does not possess the skills to take us where our ambitions lie, he's under-achieved for 2 years, as a result there's a danger of losing key members of the squad, and little chance of recruiting suitably ambitious players over the summer if he was to remain.

He's tactically naive, has little idea how to organise a defence, can't change the course of a match when under pressure and has overseen a remarkable mental frailty in the squad.

Thus he represents a high and unacceptable level of risk when considering the investment to be made in the squad and future development plans.

He has, in my opinion, no future in a club harbouring CL and perhaps Premier League title ambitions in coming years.

I cannot argue against any of your points and when I've asked for people to be patient with the manager, after listening to their reasons, I find it hard to counter their argument. You do raise valid points and it was after the Manchester City game 2nd leg semi that I felt let down by the manager. There's been plenty of games this season I've walked away frustrated unable to comprehend what had just happened. I've struggled to find positives when there's been the negatives right there in my head jumping out at my, but I chose to push those thoughts back. I still crazily believe he is the right manager to take us forward and I think like this when I try to think of what life would be without him. I look at his blueprint, I look at the squad he has assembled, I somehow think with instinct 'there's something to come'. I have that feeling that there's a work in progress with Martinez. I would hate us to act hastily and prematurely. Like I say, I understand yours and many fans arguments but for me, I sense something good is really not too far away.

 

[The Esk]

I cannot argue against any of your points and when I've asked for people to be patient with the manager, after listening to their reasons, I find it hard to counter their argument. You do raise valid points and it was after the Manchester City game 2nd leg semi that I felt let down by the manager. There's been plenty of games this season I've walked away frustrated unable to comprehend what had just happened. I've struggled to find positives when there's been the negatives right there in my head jumping out at my, but I chose to push those thoughts back. I still crazily believe he is the right manager to take us forward and I think like this when I try to think of what life would be without him. I look at his blueprint, I look at the squad he has assembled, I somehow think with instinct 'there's something to come'. I have that feeling that there's a work in progress with Martinez. I would hate us to act hastily and prematurely. Like I say, I understand yours and many fans arguments but for me, I sense something good is really not too far away.

Good post mate - one thing for sure, he's not made it easy being an Evertonian at present.

 

[kithnou]

I cannot argue against any of your points and when I've asked for people to be patient with the manager, after listening to their reasons, I find it hard to counter their argument. You do raise valid points and it was after the Manchester City game 2nd leg semi that I felt let down by the manager. There's been plenty of games this season I've walked away frustrated unable to comprehend what had just happened. I've struggled to find positives when there's been the negatives right there in my head jumping out at my, but I chose to push those thoughts back. I still crazily believe he is the right manager to take us forward and I think like this when I try to think of what life would be without him. I look at his blueprint, I look at the squad he has assembled, I somehow think with instinct 'there's something to come'. I have that feeling that there's a work in progress with Martinez. I would hate us to act hastily and prematurely. Like I say, I understand yours and many fans arguments but for me, I sense something good is really not too far away.

I think what is making it hard is that he is genuinely a nice man. We all want him to succeed. We like the attacking flair.
But the difference between his good and bad points are monumental. And we can't sit and wait for 3 more seasons for him to work it out.
Prior to Mr Moshiri's arrival I was all for giving Roberto time. But the game has changed.
If Mr Moshiri is indeed here to bring success, we need the best Manager money can buy before we spend a penny on any players. Just my thoughts..

 

[The Penalty Box Dancer]

Good post mate - one thing for sure, he's not made it easy being an Evertonian at present.

I totally agree, I think for a lot of fans now, the damage has been done and winning the FA Cup will do nothing to alleviate people's feelings. I see it as a platform to build on and go forward. However, it's the league position that is the concern, the goals conceded and the games we've thrown away from winning positions. They for me are the concerns but I see a solution. I see how well the youth is progressing and we don't see the hard work the coaching staff is putting in. Remember, a lot of our players are still potential, imagine playing with them and against them at full strength, in their prime? That's a frightening thought for any opposition and we have to admire Martinez's stance on keeping players at this club. It's evident what he is aiming to do.

 

[kithnou]

Good post mate - one thing for sure, he's not made it easy being an Evertonian at present.

well said

 

[The Penalty Box Dancer]

I think what is making it hard is the he is genuinely a nice man. We all want him to succeed. We like the attacking flair.
But the difference between his good and bad points are monumental. And we can't sit and wait for 3 more seasons for him to work it out.
Prior to Mr Moshiri's arrival I was all for giving Roberto time. But the game has changed.
If Mr Moshiri is indeed here to bring success, we need the best Manager money can buy before we spend a penny on any players. Just my thoughts..

Who is the best manager we can attract? If rumours are true and we replace Martinez with Pellegrini, what are the chances things change? It's still a risk and we don't know how things could pan out.

A lot of people say to me Moyes done a lot better with a weaker squad and I agree with that, he did. But one thing I look at is the difference in the Premier league then to what it is now. Look at the players clubs like Stoke, Palace, WBA can attract now. Look at West Ham as the perfect example. Teams are a lot tighter and and have come together in terms of quality recently. It's such an unpredictable league. It may look like I'm trying to find excuses for our poor form (I don't know haha).

 

[kithnou]

Who is the best manager we can attract? If rumours are true and we replace Martinez with Pellegrini, what are the chances things change? It's still a risk and we don't know how things could pan out.

A lot of people say to me Moyes done a lot better with a weaker squad and I agree with that, he did. But one thing I look at is the difference in the Premier league then to what it is now. Look at the players clubs like Stoke, Palace, WBA can attract now. Look at West Ham as the perfect example. Teams are a lot tighter and and have come together in terms of quality recently. It's such an unpredictable league. It may look like I'm trying to find excuses for our poor form (I don't know haha).

It's human nature to fear change.
How scared were we all of the unknown when Moyes left us, yet how great was the season after?
We could well be looking at a finish between 11-16th in the League this season if the current form continues.

 

[davek]

You must be the most dedicated WUM I've ever seen.

Starting to think you may actually be Martinez.

Hit a raw nerve did I?