moyes cardy
Player Valuation: £6m
With respect we have not gambled well for the last 21 years then.
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Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)
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BirkenheadBlue
Player Valuation: £70m
I'm sure by now you know the answer to that without asking?
Toffeelover
Player Valuation: £80m
That is your view, fine. I would like to see us winning some games. What is wrong with that?
Muggins
Player Valuation: £60m
When Martinez had finished riding the wave of what Moyes had built to achieve a solid 7th, he's been exposed as what he is.
I've given the guy 3 years and the players and manager are now both shocking. With the new investment Moshiri has an opportunity to build something solid for the future and show what a famous club we are.
Bar Lukaku and Barkley, the lot can go as far as I'm concerned, manager included.
Not even arsed what anyone else thinks to be honest so I wouldn't even bother arguing with me.
I've given the guy 3 years and the players and manager are now both shocking. With the new investment Moshiri has an opportunity to build something solid for the future and show what a famous club we are.
Bar Lukaku and Barkley, the lot can go as far as I'm concerned, manager included.
Not even arsed what anyone else thinks to be honest so I wouldn't even bother arguing with me.
Why don't we finish 1st?
No, but who the hell would say that?
Also, it's not a zero sum game. Amazingly, and despite Martinez doing his best to prove otherwise, you can do well in the league and also do well in the cups!
Indeed, if you do well in the league, you're more likely to do well in the cups - see the past winners of the FA Cup over the last 20 years and you'll see a pattern.
orly
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I think one of the really sad things about it is that even Martinez seems to have lost the faith in his system.
Last year, and it was horrible, you could still see a system, a structure, a style of football that was just being executed poorly (having been executed fantastically the season before).
The last few games in particular - even the final fifteen versus Villa - have seen us abandon all semblance of shape, tempo or structure. Well no, there were hints of it today; the previously inert McCarthy was chasing forward beyond Barkley and snapping at heels, and even the uniformly inept Cleverley stayed in a deep lying position and at least tried to keep the ball moving.
30 mins in however and we were doing one of the most stunningly clueless things I've seen from this particular version of Martinez's Everton - pinging it up long to Aaron Lennon and expecting him to hold it up, back to goal! We did even more of it second half.
He was absolutely nowhere near the worst on display today but it is an amazing irony that Tom Cleverley's introduction to this squad and seemingly unremovable grip on a starting berth has done more to damage the overall structure of the team that any other player - simply because he doesn't seem to be able to comfortably fit in any of the roles he tries. It's just agony to watch.
It reeks of Moyes and Neville - blind faith in a player that is clearly causing the whole pattern of play to grind. You could have understood him staying deep today, fine; Besic appalling last week and no Barry. But then they tried him further forward, then back on the left, and all of a sudden we've got Lennon up front and the whole thing tips over. Then Naisse - and I'll avoid him here - comes on for Barkley and again, there's no real structure, the lad is, generously, not currently in condition to be holding and linking play at Premier League level. Has Martinez utterly lost faith in Kone and if so, why did it take so long?
Show it something - go back to your favoured system, play people in natural positions, have the 'nads to make aggressive, early subs again. If it's going to fail at least do it with something that doesn't resemble the miserable, cowardly whimper we've seen in recent months. 6 league wins in what, five, six months?
Last year, and it was horrible, you could still see a system, a structure, a style of football that was just being executed poorly (having been executed fantastically the season before).
The last few games in particular - even the final fifteen versus Villa - have seen us abandon all semblance of shape, tempo or structure. Well no, there were hints of it today; the previously inert McCarthy was chasing forward beyond Barkley and snapping at heels, and even the uniformly inept Cleverley stayed in a deep lying position and at least tried to keep the ball moving.
30 mins in however and we were doing one of the most stunningly clueless things I've seen from this particular version of Martinez's Everton - pinging it up long to Aaron Lennon and expecting him to hold it up, back to goal! We did even more of it second half.
He was absolutely nowhere near the worst on display today but it is an amazing irony that Tom Cleverley's introduction to this squad and seemingly unremovable grip on a starting berth has done more to damage the overall structure of the team that any other player - simply because he doesn't seem to be able to comfortably fit in any of the roles he tries. It's just agony to watch.
It reeks of Moyes and Neville - blind faith in a player that is clearly causing the whole pattern of play to grind. You could have understood him staying deep today, fine; Besic appalling last week and no Barry. But then they tried him further forward, then back on the left, and all of a sudden we've got Lennon up front and the whole thing tips over. Then Naisse - and I'll avoid him here - comes on for Barkley and again, there's no real structure, the lad is, generously, not currently in condition to be holding and linking play at Premier League level. Has Martinez utterly lost faith in Kone and if so, why did it take so long?
Show it something - go back to your favoured system, play people in natural positions, have the 'nads to make aggressive, early subs again. If it's going to fail at least do it with something that doesn't resemble the miserable, cowardly whimper we've seen in recent months. 6 league wins in what, five, six months?
Martinez "It was unlike us to switch off defensively for a split-second, and for the rest of the game we were solid and looked threatening while keeping United's chances to a bare minimum."
EFC78
Player Valuation: £25m
I don't think you even believe what you're saying these days.
When Moyes took over at Everton our league positions were 17th, 14th, 13th, 16th, 15th in the years leading up to him taking over.
He turned us from a relegation threatened side to a consistent top 8 finisher, only finishing outside the top 8 in 2 of his seasons at the club. That sounds to me like progress. It was clear towards the end that it was the right time for him to move on, but he still left us with a good enough side to stay in that top 8.
Martinez took over, and has improved the squad yet is getting us WORSE results lol. He's clueless at managing this team and needs to be sacked at the end of the season. Hopefully he will have it in him to win us the cup as I do think he is a good cup manager.
He won't last long anyway.
BirkenheadBlue
Player Valuation: £70m
Doesn't appear like it should have been all that impossible this season, does it?
lancs blue
Player Valuation: £35m
He'll only get returned at passport control mate
BirkenheadBlue
Player Valuation: £70m
Agree with every aspect of that post, which utterly depresses me.
Saved me the job. Ta
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