I said 2 years not today. However your point is valid. Did the players do that today because the manager told them to, or did they try something different off their own back because they are as fed up as us. Either way, it was a total abandonment of our supposed style of play, and to me speaks volumes.
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Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)
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Nobody is happy about our league form.
But another league loss doesn't actually make our season worse at this point. It'll be a bad one in the league either way.
koolblue77
Player Valuation: £500k
Not at all you tried to humiliate the lad.
It wasn't just a simple no.
The Penalty Box Dancer
Player Valuation: £35m
And what did we finish on? Sorry for asking. I could easily check myself
Jamiednm
Player Valuation: £40m
I'm expecting a straight-forward elimination, like we had in the Coca Cola Cup semi.
orly
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47 I think.
Jamo Martinez
Player Valuation: £70m
You call that logic. Frankenstein DID create the monster. We do have Lukaku's goals thanks to Roberto's signings and system.
It's pure convenience 'logic'.
It's just as ridiculous as saying Everton + Martinez+ defensive stability = title challenge
Sverre Takleifbotten
Player Valuation: £750k
The fact is that we have been very consistent over this and the previous season. That is, we have gathered an average of approximately 1, 26 points average a game. If this is good or bad, well, that depends on the goals the club has set. Obviously, we should not forget Roberto Martinez first season, but by not ignoring that fact, we can also see a big decline. Moreover, that decline has now stabilize itself, in other words we have become a team who consistent perform an average of 1.26 points per game. The obvious question is why the drop in our performance, and furthermore why have this decline stabilize itself?
Have we lost any significant players? Has the squad undergone major changes? If not, the theory states that the longer the time, the more the manager can influence and change the contingencies or in other words develop the players and the team. If we accept that the performance has declined, and has stabilized itself slightly below average, then we also should accept that the players are not responding to the influence of the manager. To be concrete, his training methods, tactics, strategies, motivating skills, and so on. Because the only way we can evaluate the manager is the performance the players give on the pitch, the only way we can evaluate the teacher is bye the scores the students get on a test.
The manger and the teacher can say that they are doing progress, but as long we cannot observe it, it`s fiction. We can escape, and say that the cause lies in the future, but the future cannot influence on the present. So my guess, are as good as yours. Except i can say, on the basis of a consistent data sample that the probability of a change is very small. Obviously, you can reply and say that stranger things have occurred. For God`s sake, Leicester are winning the league. However, Leicester are not winning the league with Nigel Pearson as a manager, they are winning the league with Claudio Ranieri. The variables has changed.
Have we lost any significant players? Has the squad undergone major changes? If not, the theory states that the longer the time, the more the manager can influence and change the contingencies or in other words develop the players and the team. If we accept that the performance has declined, and has stabilized itself slightly below average, then we also should accept that the players are not responding to the influence of the manager. To be concrete, his training methods, tactics, strategies, motivating skills, and so on. Because the only way we can evaluate the manager is the performance the players give on the pitch, the only way we can evaluate the teacher is bye the scores the students get on a test.
The manger and the teacher can say that they are doing progress, but as long we cannot observe it, it`s fiction. We can escape, and say that the cause lies in the future, but the future cannot influence on the present. So my guess, are as good as yours. Except i can say, on the basis of a consistent data sample that the probability of a change is very small. Obviously, you can reply and say that stranger things have occurred. For God`s sake, Leicester are winning the league. However, Leicester are not winning the league with Nigel Pearson as a manager, they are winning the league with Claudio Ranieri. The variables has changed.
The Penalty Box Dancer
Player Valuation: £35m
Does anybody think we need to rebuild next season? Our player retention has been great but should we move on players like kone, Pienaar, osman, McGeady? Maybe get some money for James McCarthy while we still can? I just think it's time to go back to the drawing board
It's the same thing we did last season to stop the rot though. We went way more direct for long stretches. Even when Martinez actually does change things people don't give him credit. We played 4-4-2 today...or at the very least 4-4-1-1...it didn't work out, but it's not like he actually doesn't make an effort to switch things up.
roydo
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This season, that is not actually, that ridiculous.
ianefc
Player Valuation: £70m
What point are you trying to make here?
Manager Roberto Martinez said: "We all are (booing). I think you could hear our boos in the dressing room. It is exactly the same."
"We are a club that there has been a bit of a change of generation. A lot of players have come in but incredible young talent needs know-how and lessons and to develop."
"The frustration we all have is we can see the quality we have in our squad and we can't really gain some sort of momenutm.
"But 1984 is the last time we got into the semi-finals of the two domestic cups and this generation can make us very successful."
Martinez was disappointed his side could not build on a positive start to the game.
The Spaniard said: "We adapted to the game really well and maybe we shocked Man Utd a little bit. They never seemed to feel comfortable.
"The first half was probably exactly what we were looking for. You look at the little amount Joel Robles was involved for - that is the first time I have seen such a controlling 45 minutes.
"But we didn't use opportunities of great one-on-ones well enough. In the second half we got into a comfortable mood but we switched off in one action which is an unfortunate, easy goal to concede.That moment was a massive blow. You don't expect to concede when you are well in the game."
"We are a club that there has been a bit of a change of generation. A lot of players have come in but incredible young talent needs know-how and lessons and to develop."
"The frustration we all have is we can see the quality we have in our squad and we can't really gain some sort of momenutm.
"But 1984 is the last time we got into the semi-finals of the two domestic cups and this generation can make us very successful."
Martinez was disappointed his side could not build on a positive start to the game.
The Spaniard said: "We adapted to the game really well and maybe we shocked Man Utd a little bit. They never seemed to feel comfortable.
"The first half was probably exactly what we were looking for. You look at the little amount Joel Robles was involved for - that is the first time I have seen such a controlling 45 minutes.
"But we didn't use opportunities of great one-on-ones well enough. In the second half we got into a comfortable mood but we switched off in one action which is an unfortunate, easy goal to concede.That moment was a massive blow. You don't expect to concede when you are well in the game."
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
Swansea are a point behind us. They've been in a relegation battle the entire season. This has been a shambolic league campaign. 9 points required to beat last season's utterly dismal return of 47, we don't look like we can win a game.
No we have lukakus goals because he's one of the best strikers in Europe, hence he knows when to make runs off the defenders, when to time headers.....its why he's the subject of bids from some of the world's biggest clubs.
Martinez had nothing to do with him being born with talent. Hence, rom has kept us away from danger
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