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Roberto Martinez discussion

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Aar_the_Toffees said:
General question this. Not just under Martinez, but under any manager. Without the backing of an oil baron, can we ever be great again?
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don't need an oil baron but do need some decent investment. We could pop through to 4th a season or two in a best case scenario but whichever club like Chelsea, United, Aresnal, etc we beat to that spot will just go out and spend 200m to get it back. It's sad but to win the title these days in the prem you need $$$$
 

Aar_the_Toffees said:
General question this. Not just under Martinez, but under any manager. Without the backing of an oil baron, can we ever be great again?
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We have to strive to, Liverpool as a city always pops out a few England internationals and the majority of them have been Evertonians, i can't see that changing, we have to make sure we keep our eye on the ball regarding local up and coming talent, we could do with a few bob though but i do think Everton could do it a lot cheaper than other clubs, we just need a few quid and someone ultra positive in charge
 
What worries me the most about a Martinez team is that we dont look tenacious , our closing down is slow and we allow teams so much space. I still think he is the right man at this time to take us forward
 
Saaby said:
What worries me the most about a Martinez team is that we dont look tenacious , our closing down is slow and we allow teams so much space. I still think he is the right man at this time to take us forward
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The intensity to win the ball back that was there in his first season isn't there.

McCarthy has hit them heights and Barry is slower. We're not defending from the front either. If draws are to turn into wins we need to do more.
 

I think one of our major problems was my pre-match positivity. Harsh lessons have been learned, and I will be certain to never again express a belief that we can win. I'm the hero that GOT deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So you will vault me. Because I can take it. Because I'm not your hero. I'm a knee-jerk meff. A pessimistic plotter. A narky sh*te
 
steken1 said:
The intensity to win the ball back that was there in his first season isn't there.

McCarthy has hit them heights and Barry is slower. We're not defending from the front either. If draws are to turn into wins we need to do more.
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There's very little tenacity in too many our of games. When we play with a high tempo and close down, it looks more than likely that we'll win.

When we revert back to our laborious and measured to a game, slowly building up from the back, is when we look fragile and easily nullified.

I've also got doubts about Martinez's rigidity when it comes to formation and selection. Yes it can work, but we seem slow to adapt in this area.

More often than not we play the same formation, with the same squad bar one or two like-for-like changes. Kone for Naismith et al.

We cried out for wingers who can create play, and now we are comfortable in this area, we still play an unnatural choice on one flank each game.

A little bit of variety wouldn't go a miss...
 
Wat Tyler said:
It has everything to do with it. It means you are someone who is a complete cretin, whose opinion cannot be trusted on anything remotely approaching importance, and that you have exceptionally dubious views on very important things. You massive, massive bellend.
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Reported, you dog bothering molester
 
I dont even know how the thread exists. The original post was a wondering out loud during the very early days of his tenure if we had recruited a manager who could hack it as Everton manager. Not even the cave dwellers (who came out of their caves after yesterdays's defeat having been missing for two months) who wanted Martinez out before he was hired believe now that Martinez isn't an Everton manager who can hack it.

Is the thread defunct? Imo, yes. What is there to discuss or debate seriously anymore? A team that's established now with at the very least the status of Moyes' period teams; a squad being successfully reconstructed under our gaze from an older one to a younger one; the ability to win with style on occasion, and with determined fightback's when needed (though prone to the occasional no show, as per yesterday). The future looks more than promising under a manager growing into his job and indisputably in control of the situation. A manager with the style and grace befitting this great club.
 

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