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Roberto Martinez discussion

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Dymak said:
Finishing in mid-table positions in almost every season for the last 20 years is how we have become a mid-table club. The fact that you wont accept this shows that your perspective is being affected by blue tinted glasses, as is your opinion on McCarthy. Please let me know when your prediction of mid-table clubs gatecrashing the top four actually comes true, I think I'll be waiting a long time.
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I thought we have finished 4th,5th an 6th on more than one occasion my mistake.
You say we are a mid table club and we have gatecrashed the top 4 so i don't get your post at all.
One piece of advice dude don't get loaded before posting
 
daz4matty said:
I thought we have finished 4th,5th an 6th on more than one occasion my mistake.
You say we are a mid table club and we have gatecrashed the top 4 so i don't get your post at all.
One piece of advice dude don't get loaded before posting
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He believes anything out of the top four and not in the relegation zone is mid table.

He's wrong of course, but that is his belief.
 
I can't be arsed having that argument where people try to convince themselves that finishing in 6th place puts us in the top bracket of football clubs. My main point is that we are in need of much better footballers, especially in midfield, if we are to even stand a chance of properly competing with the big clubs. And that would mean replacing quite a few of our first team, who despite being described as the best side since the 80's every single year, never actually achieve anything, and frequently finish in mid-table positions.
 
Lowste said:
I agree over the injuries if you look across the whole squad, but that would be blinkered outlook.
When you lose 3 internationals out of your back 4 any squad in the country would struggle, as it is something you cannot compensate for.

We will finish between 5th & 8th, as that is were we sit.

If you believe we should be a top 4 team you need to sit down in a dark room and reevaluate your aspirations.

money is the key to success, and we have a little but not enough
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I think I'm right and you think you're right, but deep down you know you are, were as I only think I am.
so turn that around from my perspective and what we have is a Circular Argument where we have some common points but see different causes and conclusions.
It's call agreeing to differ, btw Fargo2 is shaping up nicely.
off to do other stuff now
I might or might not dip my toe back in this, but by enlarge I've said my say.
for now.
Peace bro.
 

Saint Domingo said:
Wouldn't mind those three in our midfield now, if all fit they'd be an improvement on the dross currently there.
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FFS! throw in Hibbo riding down a hillside in a bath and it would be like Last of the Summer Wine...


Great they're all back in training though, I wonder how long that will last?

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It's a pity we can't discuss any concerns we might have with the team at the moment without being accused of wanting the manager out, but hey I'll have a go anyway.

The set up in central midfield worked a treat in his first season, i.e. the Barry/ McCarthy axis covering for the full backs when they bombed forward. 2 seasons later our FBs aren't getting forward as much, maybe understandably as our defensive woes have had to be addressed, but the 2 DMs setup remains rigidly in place with has resulted in us becoming predictable. Opposition managers know our formation before a ball is kicked and have effective plans in place to counter it. We need to break this up by either playing someone else in one of their positions or moving one of them further forward. Granted the diamond has been tried a few times by RM, but he seems to always revert back to his preferred formation. I'd really like to see McCarthy deployed as the sole defensive midfielder, as I think he would thrive on it.

Secondly we've been crying out for wide players for years. Now we've got loads of them but don't use them. Bizarre. If we're only going to use one at least use one with a more attacking mindset please. The Lennon/Naismith combo against Utd was a disaster waiting to happen since it showed them too much respect.

Thirdly the goalkeeping situation. Everyone can see that this needs to be addressed except the man that counts it would seem.

I am happy with him as our manager given our current status and like his plan to develop a team built on our young talent (not that he has much choice), and am willing to give him time to get it right. His job is as safe as houses as long we are not in any serious danger of relegation. Sometimes, however, he doesn't do himself any favours at all.

I'd agree that it is unrealistic to expect a top 4 finish with this squad, but as a bare minimum we should be top 8, more realistically top 6. Maybe that would be accepting mediocrity, but that's another story..
 

I can't believe some people on here, we have just lost a massive character/ legend on sat morning the players coming into the game had been unbeaten and on good form, we get beat against a good Man U team, ok he took a gamble with the likes of Naismith and Lennon it didn't pay off.

To me the biggest gamble was McCarthy in the middle after the two tough games he played for Ireland, maybe he should have been rested.

Give the man a break and let him do his job
 
degsy said:
I think I'm right and you think you're right, but deep down you know you are, were as I only think I am.
so turn that around from my perspective and what we have is a Circular Argument where we have some common points but see different causes and conclusions.
It's call agreeing to differ, btw Fargo2 is shaping up nicely.
off to do other stuff now
I might or might not dip my toe back in this, but by enlarge I've said my say.
for now.
Peace bro.
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Enjoy Fargo2 - i have just started watching Mr Robot, and that is shaping up nicely;)
 
The Equaliser said:
It's a pity we can't discuss any concerns we might have with the team at the moment without being accused of wanting the manager out, but hey I'll have a go anyway.

The set up in central midfield worked a treat in his first season, i.e. the Barry/ McCarthy axis covering for the full backs when they bombed forward. 2 seasons later our FBs aren't getting forward as much, maybe understandably as our defensive woes have had to be addressed, but the 2 DMs setup remains rigidly in place with has resulted in us becoming predictable. Opposition managers know our formation before a ball is kicked and have effective plans in place to counter it. We need to break this up by either playing someone else in one of their positions or moving one of them further forward. Granted the diamond has been tried a few times by RM, but he seems to always revert back to his preferred formation. I'd really like to see McCarthy deployed as the sole defensive midfielder, as I think he would thrive on it.

Secondly we've been crying out for wide players for years. Now we've got loads of them but don't use them. Bizarre. If we're only going to use one at least use one with a more attacking mindset please. The Lennon/Naismith combo against Utd was a disaster waiting to happen since it showed them too much respect.

Thirdly the goalkeeping situation. Everyone can see that this needs to be addressed except the man that counts it would seem.

I am happy with him as our manager given our current status and like his plan to develop a team built on our young talent (not that he has much choice), and am willing to give him time to get it right. His job is as safe as houses as long we are not in any serious danger of relegation. Sometimes, however, he doesn't do himself any favours at all.

I'd agree that it is unrealistic to expect a top 4 finish with this squad, but as a bare minimum we should be top 8, more realistically top 6. Maybe that would be accepting mediocrity, but that's another story..
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FFS man leave your Martinez bashing for RAWK.
 

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