Roberto Martinez discussion

[Groucho]

Honestly, you are missing the point. But by so far that I can't even be bothered explaining again.

Haha whatever you say Neo xxx

Soz abar your inability to understand either English or football.

Post of the day mate. Great work. lol

Lads this just clogs threads up.

 

[mkrudden]

Lads this just clogs threads up.

Apologies.

 

[MACCA75]

He needs to stop messing around and start playing Del and Mirallas on the wings. Del will have some poor games but even when he sucks he's capable of putting one of those awesome crosses in or running past a guy and smacking it in the back of the net. If we play both of them there's a good chance one or the other will have an ace day and if both do the other team is screwed.

If we're going to insist on using 2 DM's we have to make full use of the wings, which we're not doing using players like Naismith there.

Never gonna happen unfortunately. Especially now Tom is back.

 

[deipnosophist]

Obvious troll is obvious.

so obvious that obviously your response is redundant...but as you were

 

[Walken]

so obvious that obviously your response is redundant...but as you were

and in turn rendering your own response redundant, and my own post and any post quoting it

close forum

 

[BigBlueConk]

RM has a way he wants to play and a style to try and implement regardless of the talent within the squad.
I do not think the opinions of a few fans on the internet will ever sway him one way or the other.

So play nice lads, we are all entitled to an opinion and some of us will disagree with eachother.
That's the Everton way. We can disagree and still get along right?

 

[deipnosophist]

and in turn rendering your own response redundant, and my own post and any post quoting it

close forum

seconded

 

[dannyboy]

I'm not missing the point friend, I just have a different opinion to you.

Martinez, rightly or wrongly, doesn't want to expose both two young centre backs at the same time which is why I believe we have seen Galloway protected on one side by Naismith and generally seen more of a maverick winger on the other in Deulofeu or Kone (essentially a "wide striker").

If you believe that this is wrong, then fine. If you believe this is right however youd prefer one of the holding midfielders sacrificed for an attacking player like Barkley, or a crock like Gibson, then fine.

With respect, I think you're out of your mind. The last thing that team needs is more youngsters with more responsibility. The last thing that team needs is more attacking players shoe horning into it. Barkley playing deeper means more responsibility on him. I, others on here and Martinez don't think he's ready. Gibson playing there requires him off the treatment table.

I have no problem saying Barry requires a long term upgrade but we don't have one and again, with the injuries, further disrupting that side's fundamental partnerships is ridiculous.

The issue isn't Barry and McCarthy. It's Naismith and Lennon both playing. It's the inconsistency of Lukaku, Deulofeu. It's the suspension of Mirrallas. It's the lack of Pienaar. Its the lack of Pienaars replacement which Martinez very publically spoke about.

It isn't our only two holding midfielders.

If you believe differently, no worries. But I think you're spectacularly missing the real issue.

Let's be honest though, playing two holding midfielders regardless of the opposition isn't great is it?

Arsenal away? No qualms, but what about when teams come to Goodison and barely leave their own half? Barry and McCarthy are giving us bugger all in those circumstances. Why not try Barkley in there coming from deep? If only to mix it up and give the opposition something to think about.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Let's be honest though, playing two holding midfielders regardless of the opposition isn't great is it?

Arsenal away? No qualms, but what about when teams come to Goodison and barely leave their own half? Barry and McCarthy are giving us bugger all in those circumstances. Why not try Barkley in there coming from deep? If only to mix it up and give the opposition something to think about.

Why not indeed.

 

[applecrumble]

Two DM's and Naismith in the line up =

 

[Lanolin]

I'm not missing the point friend, I just have a different opinion to you.

Martinez, rightly or wrongly, doesn't want to expose both two young centre backs at the same time which is why I believe we have seen Galloway protected on one side by Naismith and generally seen more of a maverick winger on the other in Deulofeu or Kone (essentially a "wide striker").

If you believe that this is wrong, then fine. If you believe this is right however youd prefer one of the holding midfielders sacrificed for an attacking player like Barkley, or a crock like Gibson, then fine.

With respect, I think you're out of your mind. The last thing that team needs is more youngsters with more responsibility. The last thing that team needs is more attacking players shoe horning into it. Barkley playing deeper means more responsibility on him. I, others on here and Martinez don't think he's ready. Gibson playing there requires him off the treatment table.

I have no problem saying Barry requires a long term upgrade but we don't have one and again, with the injuries, further disrupting that side's fundamental partnerships is ridiculous.

The issue isn't Barry and McCarthy. It's Naismith and Lennon both playing. It's the inconsistency of Lukaku, Deulofeu. It's the suspension of Mirrallas. It's the lack of Pienaar. Its the lack of Pienaars replacement which Martinez very publically spoke about.

It isn't our only two holding midfielders.

If you believe differently, no worries. But I think you're spectacularly missing the real issue.

Apologies to you and the mods for clogging up the thread last night. Long day in work.

Let me try to explain why I said you're missing the point. My original post was that it's all about opinions, but in mine we need a better central midfield than we have. You've started talking about a midfielder scoring more goals, about us bringing more young players in and the inconsistency of our attacking players. All fine points but none of them remotely related to what I'm saying.

For some reason, you still think I'm advocating a change to an attacking midfielder and a kamikaze approach. Maybe you just assume I'm making the same point you've seen from others and so aren't actually reading what I'm saying. What I have said, repeatedly, is that I don't want an attacking player as such, but a better version of what we have. I feel our transition from defence to attack is too slow, and we don't control the game from midfield like the best sides do. I think an upgrade in midfield is vital to allow us to become a better side.

 

[Seamus Colemole]

Christ i think i prefered this thread last christmas when it was Davek talking about plots, Jagielka, tanks and golf.

At least that was funny.

 

[Toffeelover]

Should we seriously think now about dropping Barry, Jagielka, Naismith and McCarthy and blooding young players, saying to hell with the result let's start building for the future. Or at least populate the bench with young players - no more Osman, Hibbo, Pienaar,Gibson.

Just a thought, reminiscent of when Howie came and built his side. Reading the reports from back then, Howie was no soft touch, he was a hard man. sentimentality has no place when building a side for the future.

 

[ijjysmith]

Should we seriously think now about dropping Barry, Jagielka, Naismith and McCarthy and blooding young players, saying to hell with the result let's start building for the future. Or at least populate the bench with young players - no more Osman, Hibbo, Pienaar,Gibson.

Just a thought, reminiscent of when Howie came and built his side. Reading the reports from back then, Howie was no soft touch, he was a hard man. sentimentality has no place when building a side for the future.

Come on mate though.

 

[Toffeelover]

Come on mate though.

Why, something needs to be done.