Roberto Martinez discussion

[Ihaters]

Improving relegation battles by taking us to 17th in the league. Euro battles every season, but qualifying just 4 times from 11; playing in a cup final and losing it in comparison with our other longest serving managers who actually won stuff.

He kept us in the PL. That was the achievement. Then he left.

A footnote in the club's history.

And with that you prove nearly every point I have made in the last few pages. Thank you.

 

[Kankurette]

I don't understand the stick or hate moyes gets.
He took a team walter smith had made into relegation fodder and with no money took us to the champions league.
His last season we played some entertaining high tempo football whilst winning.
He put the soul back into the club.
It was right he went when he did but don't forget what he did for this great club

Is right. I like Martinez, but Moyes was boss too and I was genuinely sad when he left.

 

[davek]

Eh look lads. It seems the great 84/85 team wasn't averse to the odd long throw every now and again. Should be ashamed of themselves. Can't believe they broke the school of science tradition like that and played such agricultural hoofball. Thank god we have Roberto to rescue us from this shameful bastardisation of the beautiful game

The debasement of that Everton 80s team is alarming to say the least.

I cant believe what I'm reading here. In order to make Moyes look acceptable and in the traditions of the club, the greatest team in the club's history is being presented as a hoofball outfit.

Really?

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

The 80s team was all about balance. We had pace in key areas, guile on the ball in others, physical strength too. We attacked and defended as a unit and played to our strengths.

It was a well structured, pragmatic team. In short, they played good overall football, not just one style. If we had to bully sides, we did. If we had to break them down and play them off the park, we did that also.

There is no "best" way to play football - tippy tappy can be every bit as useless or effective as long ball. The key is using your personnel correctly and finding the right balance.

^^^

This

 

[MikeH72]

The debasement of that Everton 80s team is alarming to say the least.

I cant believe what I'm reading here. In order to make Moyes look acceptable and in the traditions of the club, the greatest team in the club's history is being presented as a hoofball outfit.

Really?

Your very own standards depict them as a "hoofball" team, everyone else understands there's more than one way to play the game and be successful

 

[MikeH72]

You're looking for the manager - who sees football as needing to be played in a certain way - to move toward you, who believes it should be played in another (as yet unspecified) way. That's hardly a situation where you're open minded is it? There's not a lot of persuadingro be done there.

We play with pace and get in behind teams with numbers when they want to make a game of it; and we keep possession, probing for a gap when they dont want to do that. There's not a great deal more to it than that. Put labels on it if you wish, but it looks a pretty orthodox way of playing football to me. The only criticisms that can be made of it is if the pace of our play isn't kept sufficiently high, or that we are short of one or two players who can turn the screw on compact opponents when they do sit back. But I really dont see any way I could criticise or doubt a manager who's fundamental method is to take the game to the opposition and control the ball. It's exactly what Moyes' teams were incapable of, because they were cast in his negative, risk averse likeness.

And this is the main problem people have with Martinez. Why does football NEED to be played a certain way? Why can't a team be flexible and adapt to different situations to give themselves the best chance of winning the game?

 

[davek]

Unbelievable mate, at least you're consistent. What was our highest league position under Royle? What about Walker and Smith? The sad truth is that most Evertonians seemed to be more excited by Moyes' football as in Martinez has been booed more often in 18 months than Moyes was in 11 years. Now have all 40,000 match day going Evertonians been hoodwinked? Or could it be that your assertion that we witnessed 11 years of long ball hoofing is over exaggerated?

6th and on the same points that Moyes got a CL 4th place spot. He was here less than three season and actually won something.

You're another one who speaks for all 40,000 match day Evertonians. When were you elected?

Maybe like the other feller you should just stick to claiming to speak for yourself?

 

[davek]

But David, what do you make of the 1985 team scoring goals from long throw ins? Did you shun Howard Kendall as Tony Pulis before Pulis happened?

WTF is a plant pot like Tony Pulis doing in the same sentence as Howard Kendall?

Jesus wept, are you really determined to denigrate Everton's best ever team with this nonsense?

kin ell.

 

[MikeH72]

WTF is a plant pot like Tony Pulis doing in the same sentence as Howard Kendall?

Jesus wept, are you really determined to denigrate Everton's best ever team with this nonsense?

kin ell.

You do realise those two posts were almost entirely sarcastic in order to humour you?

 

[LAToffee]

Roberto wouldn't have stood for that, as a goal from a throw in isn't a very satisfying goal. Even though they count the same, like

I distinctly remember Bobby arguing that goals from set pieces should be worth less than goals from open play. No joke. I'm a Martinez fan and want him to succeed, but as I said his aversion to set pieces is baffling. Such a huge part of the game.

 

[MikeH72]

I distinctly remember Bobby arguing that goals from set pieces should be worth less than goals from open play. No joke. I'm a Martinez fan and want him to succeed, but as I said his aversion to set pieces is baffling. Such a huge part of the game.

We all want him to succeed, but you'll never ever succeed in football with such a horrifically delusional idealist mentality as that

 

[ilikecheese]

I agree that Moyes only playing hoofball is a myth. I also think it's a myth that we only play one style under Martinez. There have been several times we played a far more direct...dare I say hoofball style under Martinez.

 

[davek]

But it was

Gray was essential to us winning that Semi Final

He doesn't play and we don't go through

If you honestly think we didn't owe some of our success that season to good old fashioned grit at times, you're living in a panacea

You really think that Gray was just about knocking people over? And in any case, Sharp was more of a spearhead for that 80s team's attacking play. Why on earth are you suggesting a lump up to Gray was central to that team's achievements?

Honest to God. I'm speechless with the way this Everton team of the 80's is being talked down here. And all to try and offer a no mark like Moyes a bit of credibility.

 

[Toffeelover]

You really think that Gray was just about knocking people over? And in any case, Sharp was more of a spearhead for that 80s team's attacking play. Why on earth are you suggesting a lump up to Gray was central to that team's achievements?

Honest to God. I'm speechless with the way this Everton team of the 80's is being talked down here. And all to try and offer a no mark like Moyes a bit of credibility.

May I join with you Dave on that.

 

[daz4matty]

You really think that Gray was just about knocking people over? And in any case, Sharp was more of a spearhead for that 80s team's attacking play. Why on earth are you suggesting a lump up to Gray was central to that team's achievements?

Honest to God. I'm speechless with the way this Everton team of the 80's is being talked down here. And all to try and offer a no mark like Moyes a bit of credibility.

Why do you hate moyes so much dude