Roberto Martinez discussion

[FCBarça]

It's a loan where you have to pay. IF (a big if) the player accepts returning.

It's a gamble on your side and ours.

We profit regardless.

As will Barcelona, regardless

 

[FCBarça]

It's not a loan mate.

It's a buy back option on a permanent transfer.

Simple as concept, you can repeat to yourself over and over that it's a loan but it simply isn't.
You're allowed to be wrong on t'internet you know

By all means, I'd love to hear about all the sales with buyback options in the first two and a veto clause on sales.

 

[Kiwi]

By all means, I'd love to hear about all the sales with buyback options in the first two and a veto clause on sales.

It's something you relatively often see in footy contracts mate. I'm shocked that you can't find anything in your football encyclopedia of a brain pertaining to them, I suggest you have another look.
Failing that, the useful resources of Wikipedia and google could be helpful.

 

[FCBarça]

Barca are his life, he would prolly swim there if they ever said they wanted him back, this point should never be forgotten IMO.

This is true, plus he's Catalan...However, it's clear he's hurt by the turn of events in the past year and so much will depend on how that relationship is repaired or if the player will grow to prefer remaining in England...Whereas before there was little chance, IMHO, of him leaving Barcelona permanently, now I'd say its far less certain due to how events unfolded last summer.

The good is that he's playing well and showing the talent he has always had

 

[FCBarça]

It's something you relatively often see in footy contracts mate. I'm shocked that you can't find anything in your football encyclopedia of a brain pertaining to them, I suggest you have another look.
Failing that, the useful resources of Wikipedia and google could be helpful.

I see, because you say it exists and is routine in sales then it must be true

 

[Groucho]

By all means, I'd love to hear about all the sales with buyback options in the first two and a veto clause on sales.

I get the impression you're just arguing for the sake of it now. It was widely reported here at the time that it is a permanent deal, with a buyback clause. If it was a loan, he'd be sent back after two years - he is not due to be sent back, he is our player. We hold his registration. There has been no suggestion since then that it it a loan.

That, to me and everyone else except you it seems, suggests that it is not a loan, otherwise it would've been announced as a loan. It is not a loan.

Continue in this vein and I can only assume you're on a wind-up - this aspect is not up for discussion.

 

[Kiwi]

I see, because you say it exists and is routine in sales then it must be true

Luis Garcia, Carvajal, Alderweireld all easy examples hun.
Must try harder

 

[Dithering Dougie]

This is true, plus he's Catalan...However, it's clear he's hurt by the turn of events in the past year and so much will depend on how that relationship is repaired or if the player will grow to prefer remaining in England...Whereas before there was little chance, IMHO, of him leaving Barcelona permanently, now I'd say its far less certain due to how events unfolded last summer.

The good is that he's playing well and showing the talent he has always had

Crackpot.

 

[kithnou]

Crackpot.

Generous...

 

[Nymzee]

I often wonder if @FCBarça actually has any ties/interest to Barcelona or is just another 15-year old PES creaming fanboy of Messi.

 

[FCBarça]

I get the impression you're just arguing for the sake of it now. It was widely reported here at the time that it is a permanent deal, with a buyback clause. If it was a loan, he'd be sent back after two years - he is not due to be sent back, he is our player. We hold his registration. There has been no suggestion since then that it it a loan.

I pointed out that it is a new type of loan, which is simply a question of semantics - the point is that he is not sold and that is the end of it considering Barcelona have the buyback option in the first 2 years. Is that not how loans work? You have a player play somewhere else and then recall them - money changing hands is in parallel. If he were sold without those clauses, then sure - that's the end of it. Not sure why it's really even being debated. Even Barcelona's sporting director in regular contact with the player, is that how sales normally work that their former SD meets with them to gauge their progress?

And I've only responded to posts directed to me, I haven't been on my soapbox forcing anyone to accept my point of view.

 

[Nymzee]

I pointed out that it is a new type of loan, which is simply a question of semantics - the point is that he is not sold and that is the end of it considering Barcelona have the buyback option in the first 2 years. Is that not how loans work? You have a player play somewhere else and then recall them - money changing hands is in parallel. If he were sold without those clauses, then sure - that's the end of it. Not sure why it's really even being debated. Even Barcelona's sporting director in regular contact with the player, is that how sales normally work that their former SD meets with them to gauge their progress?

No that's not how loans work...

Loan - Borrow a player for a nominal fee for an agreed period then the player HAS to return to the parent club unless elected loan club can barter a permanent transfer.

Buy-Back Clause - Sell player permanently to a selected team but within a defined timescale have first refusal on buying back the player for a set price (release clause) defined during the initial purchase.

There's a very distinct difference you cocksnogger.

 

[meagher94]

I pointed out that it is a new type of loan, which is simply a question of semantics - the point is that he is not sold and that is the end of it considering Barcelona have the buyback option in the first 2 years. Is that not how loans work? You have a player play somewhere else and then recall them - money changing hands is in parallel. If he were sold without those clauses, then sure - that's the end of it. Not sure why it's really even being debated. Even Barcelona's sporting director in regular contact with the player, is that how sales normally work that their former SD meets with them to gauge their progress?

Nah. You're chatting utter wham. Who says this is the 'new' type of loan? Just you? You can't just redefine loans by yourself. They have to pay us money if they want him back, therefore it's not a loan.

You've lost Deulofeu. He doesn't love you anymore. It's okay mate, you'll come to terms with it eventually x

 

[Groucho]

I pointed out that it is a new type of loan, which is simply a question of semantics - the point is that he is not sold and that is the end of it considering Barcelona have the buyback option in the first 2 years. Is that not how loans work? You have a player play somewhere else and then recall them - money changing hands is in parallel. If he were sold without those clauses, then sure - that's the end of it. Not sure why it's really even being debated. Even Barcelona's sporting director in regular contact with the player, is that how sales normally work that their former SD meets with them to gauge their progress?

I'll give you that I appreciate the fact that it is terminology, but whichever way you cut it, he is here on a permanent deal.

It's being debated because you are the only member of the thousands we have, that insists on calling it a loan. What happens if the buy back clause is not activated? He remains our player, just as he is now - that simply isn't a loan fella.

 

[Chang Elephant]

I haven't been on my soapbox forcing anyone to accept my point of view

You'd need to use a lot of force, my cat knows more about football lad