Roberto Martinez discussion

[Bungle]

I saw my Catalan mate Saturday - he had a bag of the good stuff. I bought it and agreed, it was good shoite. Trouble was Sunday, he phoned up saying its actually excellent stuff, I'll give you £x back in exchange. Too late I say, unless you take selling advice from dodgy posters on GOT ...

Probably the worst analogy I've ever read, probably the drugs that have done that.

 

[Ollie d]

You could be right..

 

[Nymzee]

I saw my Catalan mate Saturday - he had a bag of the good stuff. I bought it and agreed, it was good shoite. Trouble was Sunday, he phoned up saying its actually excellent stuff, I'll give you £x back in exchange. Too late I say, unless you take selling advice from dodgy posters on GOT ...

Wot

 

[MikeH72]

I pointed out that it is a new type of loan, which is simply a question of semantics - the point is that he is not sold and that is the end of it considering Barcelona have the buyback option in the first 2 years. Is that not how loans work? You have a player play somewhere else and then recall them - money changing hands is in parallel. If he were sold without those clauses, then sure - that's the end of it. Not sure why it's really even being debated. Even Barcelona's sporting director in regular contact with the player, is that how sales normally work that their former SD meets with them to gauge their progress?

And I've only responded to posts directed to me, I haven't been on my soapbox forcing anyone to accept my point of view.

What an absolute queef you are

 

[caught]

I saw my Catalan mate Saturday - he had a bag of the good stuff. I bought it and agreed, it was good shoite. Trouble was Sunday, he phoned up saying its actually excellent stuff, I'll give you £x back in exchange. Too late I say, unless you take selling advice from dodgy posters on GOT ...

Wot

I believe he's threatening to capture Deulofeu and grind him down into some sort of paste (I assume he is in possession of an unusually large mortar and pestle), and then snorting him so the remains are absorbed through his nasal membrane.

There are two possibilities for this thesis: either it is of a sexual nature, or he believes he can literally absorb the talent of the curiously blonde wing wizard Deulofeu, cleverly avoiding the implications of the 'modern loan' we've found ourselves mixed up in.

Either way: off topic.

 

[Ollie d]

I believe he's threatening to capture Deulofeu and grind him down into some sort of paste (I assume he is in possession of an unusually large mortar and pestle), and then snorting him so the remains are absorbed through his nasal membrane.

There are two possibilities for this thesis: either it is of a sexual nature, or he believes he can literally absorb the talent of the curiously blonde wing wizard Deulofeu, cleverly avoiding the implications of the 'modern loan' we've found ourselves mixed up in.

Either way: off topic.

You may have misunderstood my sparkling anecdote ...or as @Bungle says, I've done too much...!

 

[Groucho]

@Groucho is someone has you on ignore does it automatically stop you sending them a conversation?

I don't think so. But I'm not 100% sure mate.

 

[davek]

Maybe FC Barca is getting too much stick when the essential point he makes is pretty much correct? We're fond of saying when the club have an option on one of our players to extend their contract that Everton are in control. That's because the club would have control over his player's license. In that sense Barcelona are the "Everton" in this scenario. For a small outlay of cash, they hold the ultimate and pretty much arbitrary power over where Deulofeu plays his footy.

If the issue is isolated to one of control, then they have it and Everton dont (although I tend to believe that Barcelona wont exercise it and it's a way of maybe breaking bread with a club with a decent history of churning out top class local talent...Pique naming Stones in his European XI last week anyone?!?!)

 

[toffeejack]

Congrats to you, as you are the newest member of the ignore list! Don't worry you too are in great company.

if he's on ignore he won't be able to read that mate.

 

[Nymzee]

Maybe FC Barca is getting too much stick when the essential point he makes is pretty much correct? We're fond of saying when the club have an option on one of our players to extend their contract that Everton are in control. That's because the club would have control over his player's license. In that sense Barcelona are the "Everton" in this scenario. For a small outlay of cash, they hold the ultimate and pretty much arbitrary power over where Deulofeu plays his footy.

If the issue is isolated to one of control, then they have it and Everton dont (although I tend to believe that Barcelona wont exercise it and it's a way of maybe breaking bread with a club with a decent history of churning out top class local talent...Pique naming Stones in his European XI last week anyone?!?!)

In the even of a loan Deulofeu has no power over where he stays whereas in this situation even if the buy-back clause is met I'm pretty sure he can get refuse to move. Ergo it's not a loan as FCBarca is so determined to make us believe.

 

[Lanolin]

Maybe FC Barca is getting too much stick when the essential point he makes is pretty much correct? We're fond of saying when the club have an option on one of our players to extend their contract that Everton are in control. That's because the club would have control over his player's license. In that sense Barcelona are the "Everton" in this scenario. For a small outlay of cash, they hold the ultimate and pretty much arbitrary power over where Deulofeu plays his footy.

If the issue is isolated to one of control, then they have it and Everton dont (although I tend to believe that Barcelona wont exercise it and it's a way of maybe breaking bread with a club with a decent history of churning out top class local talent...Pique naming Stones in his European XI last week anyone?!?!)

I don't think that's quite right. When we have an option to extend a player's contract, it is our decision and ours alone as to whether we do that. The player cannot opt-out of the contract extension and therefore we have the power. In the case of a buy-back clause, it would usually mean that if the selling club wants to buy the player back, they can do so for a pre-arranged fee (so even if the player is 'worth' £20m, if the clause says £5m we would have to accept it) but the player still has the option of rejecting the deal, meaning it is the player who has the power. Obviously we don't know the exact nature of the clause in this instance, but I would be surprised if either Everton or Deulofeu agreed to a contract where they do not know what the future holds for them.

 

[davek]

I don't think that's quite right. When we have an option to extend a player's contract, it is our decision and ours alone as to whether we do that. The player cannot opt-out of the contract extension and therefore we have the power. In the case of a buy-back clause, it would usually mean that if the selling club wants to buy the player back, they can do so for a pre-arranged fee (so even if the player is 'worth' £20m, if the clause says £5m we would have to accept it) but the player still has the option of rejecting the deal, meaning it is the player who has the power. Obviously we don't know the exact nature of the clause in this instance, but I would be surprised if either Everton or Deulofeu agreed to a contract where they do not know what the future holds for them.

In the even of a loan Deulofeu has no power over where he stays whereas in this situation even if the buy-back clause is met I'm pretty sure he can get refuse to move. Ergo it's not a loan as FCBarca is so determined to make us believe.

What would act to dissuade Deulofeu not to return to Barcelona in that eventuality? If he's wanted back by them - and regardless of how well he's settled here - the player is young and ambitious. If Everton cant match that by offering CL football, why would you stay?

Maybe in normal circumstances the buy back clause could be overridden by a player resisting their original club; but an organisation like Barcelona pulling you back in - that general rule goes out of the window.

 

[TheCount]

What would act to dissuade Deulofeu not to return to Barcelona in that eventuality? If he's wanted back by them - and regardless of how well he's settled here - the player is young and ambitious. If Everton cant match that by offering CL football, why would you stay?

Maybe in normal circumstances the buy back clause could be overridden by a player resisting their original club; but an organisation like Barcelona pulling you back in - that general rule goes out of the window.

That's speculation about the players mindset, ambitions etc.

The fact is, they can't just take him back. So it's not a loan. Or a new type of loan.

“There is life beyond Barcelona.” That's his words.

 

[Lanolin]

What would act to dissuade Deulofeu not to return to Barcelona in that eventuality? If he's wanted back by them - and regardless of how well he's settled here - the player is young and ambitious. If Everton cant match that by offering CL football, why would you stay?

Maybe in normal circumstances the buy back clause could be overridden by a player resisting their original club; but an organisation like Barcelona pulling you back in - that general rule goes out of the window.

So you agree you were wrong then. Cool.

 

[Nymzee]

What would act to dissuade Deulofeu not to return to Barcelona in that eventuality? If he's wanted back by them - and regardless of how well he's settled here - the player is young and ambitious. If Everton cant match that by offering CL football, why would you stay?

Maybe in normal circumstances the buy back clause could be overridden by a player resisting their original club; but an organisation like Barcelona pulling you back in - that general rule goes out of the window.

What's the inner workings of Deulofeu's mind got to do with the type of transfer deal that's being argued about? Fail to see the point in this post.