Roberto Martinez discussion

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LouReedwalkonthewildside said:
I get the impression more that some posters are whinging because they believe we should be beating all and sundry, not because were not in the title race, IMO a top 6 finish isn't a lot to ask with this squad of players.

We're never going to agree Ian, but I mentioned it earlier, Martinez has been here 2 and a half years, finished 5th and 11th, gave us our highest points total, in the semi's of a cup, and playing some of the best footy for ages, that's why I'm keeping the faith.
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That's fine about us not agreeing but don't do what some of the lesser poster do on here and exaggerate what posters like myself are after, I don't think we should be beating all and sundry, but more along the line since the collapse of Moyes' defence we have won 18 in 57 league games....some will say it was nothing to do with Moyes I would counter that by asking why hasn't he been able to get us anywhere near the amount of clean sheets since, which clearly would have provided us with more wins an no arguments.
 

davek said:
Yeah, but you have to place it in context. In the PL of the time those in bold would have been viewed as very good first team players outside all but the elite.
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More context

No. Position Player
1 England GK Paul Gerrard
2 England MF Steve Watson
3 Italy DF Alessandro Pistone
4 England DF Alan Stubbs
5 Scotland DF David Weir
6 England DF David Unsworth
7 Sweden MF Niclas Alexandersson
8 Canada FW Tomasz Radzinski
9 England FW Kevin Campbell
10 Scotland FW Duncan Ferguson
11 Wales MF Mark Pembridge
12 Sweden MF Jesper Blomqvist
13 England GK Steve Simonsen
14 Israel MF Idan Tal
No. Position Player
15 Scotland DF Gary Naysmith
16 Denmark MF Thomas Gravesen
17 Scotland MF Scot Gemmill
18 England FW Wayne Rooney
19 United States FW Joe-Max Moore
20 Scotland DF Alec Cleland
22 Sweden MF Tobias Linderoth
24 France MF David Ginola
25 England GK Andrew Pettinger
26 Republic of Ireland MF Lee Carsley
27 England DF Peter Clarke
28 England DF Tony Hibbert
29 England MF Kevin McLeod
30 England MF Nick Chadwick

Left club during season[edit]
No. Position Player
12 England DF Michael Ball (to Rangers)
18 England MF Paul Gascoigne (to Burnley)
21 England FW Danny Cadamarteri (to Bradford City)
24 Portugal DF Abel Xavier (to Liverpool)
25 Denmark MF Peter Degn (to Brøndby)
No. Position Player
26 Norway GK Thomas Myhre (to Beşiktaş J.K.)
Ghana MF Alex Nyarko (on loan to AS Monaco)
England MF Tom Kearney (to Bradford City)
England MF Matt McKay (retired)

A huge amount of absolute rot in that squad. Virtually nothing to sell to raise funds either; Martinez got £27m for Fellaini.
 

ianefc said:
That's fine about us not agreeing but don't do what some of the lesser poster do on here and exaggerate what posters like myself are after, I don't think we should be beating all and sundry, but more along the line since the collapse of Moyes' defence we have won 18 in 57 league games....some will say it was nothing to do with Moyes I would counter that by asking why hasn't he been able to get us anywhere near the amount of clean sheets since, which clearly would have provided us with more wins an no arguments.
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My points aren't directly aimed at you Ian because you are actually one of the more level headed on here, and when you post you do actually make a good argument without ridiculing people, and you've always stuck to what you believe in, that's not to say though that I have to agree with you. Also, there are lads on here who moan just for the sake of it.
 
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GrandOldTeam said:
Context?

Where was Smith's Everton in the league when Moyes took over?

Where was Moyes' Everton in the league when Martinez took over?

It's not apples with pears...
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That's not to say they were bad players though, just that Smith was hopeless getting the best from them. Weir, Stubbs, Carsely, Gravesen, Ferguson, Radzinski, Rooney (lest we forget) became the core of Moyes' first assembled team. It's not like he had to come in and just use the academy players.
 
GrandOldTeam said:
Context?

Where was Smith's Everton in the league when Moyes took over?

Where was Moyes' Everton in the league when Martinez took over?

It's not apples with pears...
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The thing for me is this, near the end of Moyes time I had lost a little patience, I felt he had built a superb first 11 and I really didnt think he was getting the best out of it.

Martinez has expanded on that, his work in the transfer market has been a major plus for me, he added quality to the first 11 and also bulked the squad up with some excellent "back up" players, but now, like most, im starting to think hes not getting the best out of the side.

I still remain firm, I dont want him sacked, something which wont happen anytime soon anyway, but something needs to change.
 

MoutsGoat said:
The thing for me is this, near the end of Moyes time I had lost a little patience, I felt he had built a superb first 11 and I really didnt think he was getting the best out of it.

Martinez has expanded on that, his work in the transfer market has been a major plus for me, he added quality to the first 11 and also bulked the squad up with some excellent "back up" players, but now, like most, im starting to think hes not getting the best out of the side.

I still remain firm, I dont want him sacked, something which wont happen anytime soon anyway, but something needs to change.
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simple really, lets see how things are at the end of the season?
 
orly said:
More context

No. Position Player
1 England GK Paul Gerrard
2 England MF Steve Watson
3 Italy DF Alessandro Pistone
4 England DF Alan Stubbs
5 Scotland DF David Weir
6 England DF David Unsworth
7 Sweden MF Niclas Alexandersson
8 Canada FW Tomasz Radzinski
9 England FW Kevin Campbell
10 Scotland FW Duncan Ferguson
11 Wales MF Mark Pembridge
12 Sweden MF Jesper Blomqvist
13 England GK Steve Simonsen
14 Israel MF Idan Tal
No. Position Player
15 Scotland DF Gary Naysmith
16 Denmark MF Thomas Gravesen
17 Scotland MF Scot Gemmill
18 England FW Wayne Rooney
19 United States FW Joe-Max Moore
20 Scotland DF Alec Cleland
22 Sweden MF Tobias Linderoth
24 France MF David Ginola
25 England GK Andrew Pettinger
26 Republic of Ireland MF Lee Carsley
27 England DF Peter Clarke
28 England DF Tony Hibbert
29 England MF Kevin McLeod
30 England MF Nick Chadwick

Left club during season[edit]
No. Position Player
12 England DF Michael Ball (to Rangers)
18 England MF Paul Gascoigne (to Burnley)
21 England FW Danny Cadamarteri (to Bradford City)
24 Portugal DF Abel Xavier (to Liverpool)
25 Denmark MF Peter Degn (to Brøndby)
No. Position Player
26 Norway GK Thomas Myhre (to Beşiktaş J.K.)
Ghana MF Alex Nyarko (on loan to AS Monaco)
England MF Tom Kearney (to Bradford City)
England MF Matt McKay (retired)

A huge amount of absolute rot in that squad. Virtually nothing to sell to raise funds either; Martinez got £27m for Fellaini.
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I could show you Everton's present extended squad list and we could say without a shadow of a doubt most probably wont be used if we got a new manager tomorrow.
 
davek said:
That's not to say they were bad players though, just that Smith was hopeless getting the best from them. Weir, Stubbs, Carsely, Gravesen, Ferguson, Radzinski, Rooney (lest we forget) became the core of Moyes' first assembled team. It's not like he had to come in and just use the academy players.
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That's interesting, it's a bit like that today then.
 

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