Roberto Martinez discussion

[orly]

I could show you Everton's present extended squad list and we could say without a shadow of a doubt most probably wont be used if we got a new manager tomorrow.

Are you sure about that? We've got a game against Spurs coming up, not much time for a new manager to change a whole squad.

I'm particularly enjoying your suggestion that Ferguson would be considered a very good player by all clubs outside of the elite - not your usual opinion of the man.

 

[Dexter]

Yeah, but you have to place it in context. In the PL of the time those in bold would have been viewed as very good first team players outside all but the elite.

But way past it

 

[evertony]

More context

No. Position Player
1 England GK Paul Gerrard
2 England MF Steve Watson
3 Italy DF Alessandro Pistone
4 England DF Alan Stubbs
5 Scotland DF David Weir
6 England DF David Unsworth
7 Sweden MF Niclas Alexandersson
8 Canada FW Tomasz Radzinski
9 England FW Kevin Campbell
10 Scotland FW Duncan Ferguson
11 Wales MF Mark Pembridge
12 Sweden MF Jesper Blomqvist
13 England GK Steve Simonsen
14 Israel MF Idan Tal
No. Position Player
15 Scotland DF Gary Naysmith
16 Denmark MF Thomas Gravesen
17 Scotland MF Scot Gemmill
18 England FW Wayne Rooney
19 United States FW Joe-Max Moore
20 Scotland DF Alec Cleland
22 Sweden MF Tobias Linderoth
24 France MF David Ginola
25 England GK Andrew Pettinger
26 Republic of Ireland MF Lee Carsley
27 England DF Peter Clarke
28 England DF Tony Hibbert
29 England MF Kevin McLeod
30 England MF Nick Chadwick

Left club during season[edit]
No. Position Player
12 England DF Michael Ball (to Rangers)
18 England MF Paul Gascoigne (to Burnley)
21 England FW Danny Cadamarteri (to Bradford City)
24 Portugal DF Abel Xavier (to Liverpool)
25 Denmark MF Peter Degn (to Brøndby)
No. Position Player
26 Norway GK Thomas Myhre (to Beşiktaş J.K.)
Ghana MF Alex Nyarko (on loan to AS Monaco)
England MF Tom Kearney (to Bradford City)
England MF Matt McKay (retired)

A huge amount of absolute rot in that squad. Virtually nothing to sell to raise funds either; Martinez got £27m for Fellaini.

He also got the best part of £14M for Anichibie and Jelavic too....which tells me he's an absolute friggin genius to be honest......I recall people on here saying Fellaini was worth jack sh1t.

 

[orly]

But way past it

Not sure I agree - Weir for example was excellent for a few season afterwards. Bit more debatable for Stubbs.

 

[Woolly Blue]

We've heard a fair bit from the Sycophant Steve's

... and the 'Orrible Orly's ?

 

[davek]

Are you sure about that? We've got a game against Spurs coming up, not much time for a new manager to change a whole squad.

I'm particularly enjoying your suggestion that Ferguson would be considered a very good player by all clubs outside of the elite - not your usual opinion of the man.

It wouldn't be my opinion that counted though. Undoubtedly the galoot was seen as a decent player by most at that time. Me too. Just not a legend...which is utterly preposterous.

 

[orly]

He also got the best part of £14M for Anichibie and Jelavic too....which tells me he's an absolute friggin genius to be honest......I recall people on here saying Fellaini was worth jack sh1t.

Never disagreed with that part - and it is in one of the only things in Elstone's list of achievements!!

 

[orly]

... and the 'Orrible Orly's ?

Owesome Orly's

 

[davek]

But way past it

I dont think so. Which teams at the time outside of Arsenal, United, Liverpool would the majority of those highlighted struggle to make the team in?

 

[streeky]

Same principle though.

I accept Martinez inherited a better squad than Moyes did. But they were not his players and (as with most incoming managers) he has a different method so had to adapt them to it. It was a hell of a first season. The defence has become a problem, for sure. But I'm pretty convinced that a half decent GK sorts most of the mess out. He (Martinez) will never want to operate a system that doesn't place the emphasis on attack, but that's not to say he cant keep clean sheets, as the first season proved.

The worrying thing is , if he had inherited a squad of huge incredibly slow and untalented footballers we would still be trying to play the same way. Most successful managers create a system to fit their squad rather than trying to play a system with unsuitable players. You could also say the possession based style has been surpassed in Europe by all bar the elite 2or 3 teams for a counter attack style. Martinez is 2 years behind Brendan rogers in his thinking and he is unemployed.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Not sure I agree - Weir for example was excellent for a few season afterwards. Bit more debatable for Stubbs.

Could do with a Weir or Stubbs now.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Martinez is 2 years behind Brendan rogers in his thinking .

 

[davek]

The worrying thing is , if he had inherited a squad of huge incredibly slow and untalented footballers we would still be trying to play the same way. Most successful managers create a system to fit their squad rather than trying to play a system with unsuitable players. You could also say the possession based style has been surpassed in Europe by all bar the elite 2or 3 teams for a counter attack style. Martinez is 2 years behind Brendan rogers in his thinking and he is unemployed.

...but we do also play on the counter. The possession/counter balance is ok. The defensive solidity isnt.

 

[orly]

Martinez is 2 years behind Brendan rogers in his thinking and he is unemployed.

Jesus Mary and the orphans

 

[hullefc]

Jesus Mary and the orphans

I've just crossed myself and I'm a 'prod'.