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Credit to Moyes for getting us stable. Looking back though it was just a maintenance job and nothing more. Stay steady nothing more. That was the ambition. Now we are truly ambitious with good young players....a change of style...it ain't working yet and it might or might not work at all...but ambition is there. It may not be realised but we are trying. Defence has gone soft on us but the attack is a joy and we are in search of the balance. I am excited with what is happening at this club. Results haven't been great but I see a chink of light at the end of the tunnel rather than the darkness that preceded.

I just cannot agree with that.

11 seasons before him we averaged 45.6 points a season (points average x 38 games)
11 seasons with him we averaged 57.2 points
And over his last 6 seasons we averaged 60 points

So far under Roberto with a vastly containing Lukaku rather than Jelavic or Straq we are averaging 58 points. (48.6 over the last 18 months)
 

I just cannot agree with that.

11 seasons before him we averaged 45.6 points a season (points average x 38 games)
11 seasons with him we averaged 57.2 points (and over last 6 seasons we averaged 60 points)

This was with one of the lowest net spends in the league and with between 40-250% smaller than the only clubs to get more points in that time frame.

Don't let stats get in the way of revisionism.
 
Collymore is spot on reference his comments about us and the way we are run, he has been going on about it for a few months only one in the press to say we need a change in the running of the club.
 
Credit to Moyes for getting us stable. Looking back though it was just a maintenance job and nothing more. Stay steady nothing more. That was the ambition. Now we are truly ambitious with good young players....a change of style...it ain't working yet and it might or might not work at all...but ambition is there. It may not be realised but we are trying. Defence has gone soft on us but the attack is a joy and we are in search of the balance. I am excited with what is happening at this club. Results haven't been great but I see a chink of light at the end of the tunnel rather than the darkness that preceded.

Winning without winning. Playing to win without winning. Gun to a gun fight without winning, sin miedo without winning. All very nice sentiments.
 
Show me a post from pre season saying that Watford, Leicester, Palace, West Ham would be playing like they are, and that Chelsea would be a few points off relegation in 2016, and you have a valid point.

Good point, were there some posts saying we can/will make top 4?
 

Roberto Martinez: Let’s make 2016 a trophy season for my Toffees
ROBERTO Martinez is fed up staring into a trophy cabinet where old cups have gathered dust.


By Steve Millar / Published 2nd January 2016

That is why the Everton boss is ringing in the new year more optimistic than ever about ending the Goodison honours’ drought.

Martinez feels that his new generation of Everton stars have the unquestioned ability to dramatically improve the proud history of this famous club in the next key five months.

The late great Howard Kendall was the last Everton manager to lift the title in 1987 while Joe Royle’s team beat Man United 1-0 to win the FA Cup in 1995.
But big season-changer games are coming up thick and fast starting with Tottenham today.

Then Everton face Manchester City in the Capital One Cup semi-final first leg at Goodison on Wednesday followed by Saturday’s FA Cup third-round tie against Dagenham and Redbridge.

Martinez is rubbing his hands at the prospect of those fixtures being the springboard for a great run to glory.

He said: “There are no two ways about it, we need to become better as a team and individually but in the same way we all know the potential we have as a team.

“We will never look away from the opportunity we have with this team to be something special in the history of Everton and as manager I take responsibility.

“We have to be a winning team.
“I know that we haven’t won a trophy for a long, long time but it’s in our DNA we should be winning titles. And we should be achieving to win games, not just to compete in games or hope for a win.

“We have got the most important month of the season.

“It’s a pivotal month for us in order for us to face the League Cup, the FA Cup and very important games in the league.

“The next five months will be vital for Everton. “I’m looking forward to them and I think we have the players with the character to cope with that.

“The players with the talent to play our type of football.
“We are not there yet otherwise we would be top of the league but that’s the way we are going in the next five months.”

Martinez doesn’t need to be reminded what’s at stake from now until the end of the season for an Everton side full of exciting talent, particularly in the shape of Romelu Lukaku, Ross Barkley and John Stones. He knows all eyes will be on him in the way he steers the Goodison ship packed with so much hope and so many dreams.

Martinez is now two-and-a-half years into the job – and feels he will get the time to bring back success.

Martinez added: “I am not happy to go through the motions.

“I want to be producing teams which become better, that can play attractive football and that can take responsibility.

“And we want to score goals but at the end of it, we want to be winning things and I don’t expect anything different.

“At Everton, we want to be under that sort of scrutiny.

“We know, though, where we are. We are probably the most exciting team that you would enjoy to watch from a neutral point of view going forward.

“Our attacking play is really exceptional.

“The stats tell you that we are the team with the most goals scored from open play which is something which is very, very difficult to achieve.

“All I want is the best for Everton.

“And whatever happens I will always make decisions like I am going to be the manager for the next 100 years.

“That’s the only way you can manage a football club with the history that we have.”

I read all that, just typical managerial aspiration. "our attacking play is exceptional" HHMMM but nothing said about our defence which is ?????
 
I read all that, just typical managerial aspiration. "our attacking play is exceptional" HHMMM but nothing said about our defence which is ?????

Our attacking play under Martinez - when averaged out at goals per league game - comes to an average of 59.6 goals per season.

Under Moyes in his last 6 years in charge we averaged 54.3 goals a season.

So we score an extra 1 goal per extra 7 games than we did under DM.

Unfortunately we also let in an average of 48.3 goals a season, compared to 40.6 under Moyes.

So this exceptional attacking play is yielding 5.3 extra goals per season at a cost of 7.5 goals let in.
 
Our attacking play under Martinez - when averaged out at goals per league game - comes to an average of 59.6 goals per season.

Under Moyes in his last 6 years in charge we averaged 54.3 goals a season.

So we score an extra 1 goal per extra 7 games than we did under DM.

Unfortunately we also let in an average of 48.3 goals a season, compared to 40.6 under Moyes.

So this exceptional attacking play is yielding 5.3 extra goals per season at a cost of 7.5 goals let in.

It's also worth remembering that he's been cycling Moyes players out and building his own side. At everton that takes time and you never see peak performance in a transition. This period is coming to and end now and he needs to show what he's about.

He's also gone for youth predominantly. That again asks for more time.

You should look for progress. There has been some on the attacking side. There's been some in the quality of the players brought in.

We now need to see some in the defensive side of our game and in his decision making. If we don't see that by the end of this season he should go.

That said I've got a feeling of Howard makes way we might see a bit of silver, which quite rightly buys him more time.
 

Stan Collymore the epitomy of mediocrity in everything bar dogging



Although I agree with his comments re Radcliffe
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It's also worth remembering that he's been cycling Moyes players out and building his own side. At everton that takes time and you never see peak performance in a transition. This period is coming to and end now and he needs to show what he's about.

He's also gone for youth predominantly. That again asks for more time.

You should look for progress. There has been some on the attacking side. There's been some in the quality of the players brought in.

We now need to see some in the defensive side of our game and in his decision making. If we don't see that by the end of this season he should go.

That said I've got a feeling of Howard makes way we might see a bit of silver, which quite rightly buys him more time.

This.
 
Iread the Guardian article and basically the message is "RM, get your finger out" Also this para drew my attention.

"Some Everton fans have never been convinced by the former Wigan manager, others have been pleasantly surprised but are beginning to lose their faith. Too many of the old failings from Martínez’s former club are beginning to resurface. Everton play attractive, adventurous football but too often lack a killer punch or a mean streak. They are frequently naive, drawing or even losing games when they have done enough to win. Defending is a problem, not only in terms of decision-making and application on the pitch but in terms of the manager’s ability to identify and rectify weaknesses. While no one is saying Everton will end up being relegated, for a club with lofty ambitions and highly coveted players this is turning out to be another season of underachievement. Martínez might have to repeat his cup-winning trick from his Wigan days to win over all his critics."

For me though just putting a league cup on the table is not a passport for excusing a poor league performance.
 
Our attacking play under Martinez - when averaged out at goals per league game - comes to an average of 59.6 goals per season.

Under Moyes in his last 6 years in charge we averaged 54.3 goals a season.

So we score an extra 1 goal per extra 7 games than we did under DM.

Unfortunately we also let in an average of 48.3 goals a season, compared to 40.6 under Moyes.

So this exceptional attacking play is yielding 5.3 extra goals per season at a cost of 7.5 goals let in.
Wrong, we conceded an average of 43.7 with Moyes and 45.5 in two seasons under Martinez.
Edit. I noticed you only picked Moyes last 6 seasons??
 

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