Roberto Martinez discussion

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Woolly Blue said:
We were shockingly poor in the first half. The Spurs fans must have felt like we did at half time against Norwich.
Credit to Martinez though, he obviously saw what was going wrong and we were the better team in the second half.
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Best aggressive, decisive and productive changes he's made for a long time to be fair.

If we're crap I'd rather see us go down fighting like that.
 

boris said:
You don't see the bigger picture pal, there's no point in even discussing this any futher, we're going around in circles.
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And there we have it, in a nutshell.

Be grateful our defensive record is only 9 away from home, Being 11th belies that statistic.

Nevermind there's only half the season gone. Only trips to chelsea, the shoite, united, plus a few others who are doing better than us, to come.

The statistic is only a half-truth. Read into it what you will, but DO NOT try to convince me that it's of any applicability right now.

FFS, you laugh at the shoite and their 'APL' - this isn't that much dissimilar.
 
Dithering Dougie said:
Best aggressive, decisive and productive changes he's made for a long time to be fair.

If we're crap I'd rather see us go down fighting like that.
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But too Doug, he's assembled a competitive squad that he deserves massive praise for.

He got it spot on today. Started with Lennon, sat the team deeper then brought on the pace at 60mins.

We should have won in all honesty.

Tactically I thought Martinez was brilliant today. shame others can't see it.
 

What I deduced from today's game - he picked Lennon and Kone to try and give a guaranteed work rate and help the full backs, only that leaves us a little off balance as Kone doesn't do the same job on the left as is being done on the right.

He set up to contain Spurs in the first half, but we played way too deep and this allowed them to dominate. That said, let's not take anything away from Spurs, probably the best side they have had for years. Their movement and closing down was superb and they were first to everything apart from our goal in the first half.

We all come on here saying it's the best squad we have had for years. Well, the fact is for me is that there are several other clubs in exactly the same position.

We are a decent side, but that's it for me. That does not give us a right to expect teams to be easily brushed aside for the reasons I gave above.

Some good performances and we have some good players. Make the most of seeing them, as some of them won't be here next year unless we win a cup and qualify for Europe.

Sadly for the manager we don't win enough games, so that must ultimately fall on his head. Do I want him sacked? Probably not, but i also wouldn't be too arsed if he was.
 
Mikey_Fitzgerald said:
You're right

Conceding 8 goals in the last 3 home games really highlights our superb defensive organisation

Bloody hell, some of you get so butt hurt if everyone isn't 100% complimentary about Martinez all the time. It really is cult like.

Live in your panacea where Martinez is amazing and has us defending the best we've ever defended during 4-3 defeats at home

Your attitude will only turn reasonable people against your deity, and this is coming from someone whose Martinez In FFS
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Hang on a minute. You brought up Martinez and 'defensive organisation' not me. So you are only concerned about the defensive organisation the last 3 games. That's a nice neat fit isn't it. Can't remember what the word is but it may come to me. What about Spurs away? Swansea away? Southampton away? Newcastle away? No 'defensive organisation' I suppose.

I really do like the word panacea, 'a solution or remedy for all difficulties or diseases'. It seems to me that in trying to explain difficult things about Martinez it is so easy to throw words around like 'defensive organisation'. I wonder if that is a panacea? Do me a favour, cult and deity - that is so spiritually amusing.

By the way how did we set up at Southampton to keep a clean sheet? Why have we conceded 20 at home and only 9 away?
 
By god I'm blue said:
What I deduced from today's game - he picked Lennon and Kone to try and give a guaranteed work rate and help the full backs, only that leaves us a little off balance as Kone doesn't do the same job on the left as is being done on the right.

He set up to contain Spurs in the first half, but we played way too deep and this allowed them to dominate. That said, let's not take anything away from Spurs, probably the best side they have had for years. Their movement and closing down was superb and they were first to everything apart from our goal in the first half.

We all come on here saying it's the best squad we have had for years. Well, the fact is for me is that there are several other clubs in exactly the same position.

We are a decent side, but that's it for me. That does not give us a right to expect teams to be easily brushed aside for the reasons I gave above.

Some good performances and we have some good players. Make the most of seeing them, as some of them won't be here next year unless we win a cup and qualify for Europe.

Sadly for the manager we don't win enough games, so that must ultimately fall on his head. Do I want him sacked? Probably not, but i also wouldn't be too arsed of he was.
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Best summary on the thread. Kudos. ;)
 

hullefc said:
Hang on a minute. You brought up Martinez and 'defensive organisation' not me. So you are only concerned about the defensive organisation the last 3 games. That's a nice neat fit isn't it. Can't remember what the word is but it may come to me. What about Spurs away? Swansea away? Southampton away? Newcastle away? No 'defensive organisation' I suppose.

I really do like the word panacea, 'a solution or remedy for all difficulties or diseases'. It seems to me that in trying to explain difficult things about Martinez it is so easy to throw words around like 'defensive organisation'. I wonder if that is a panacea? Do me a favour, cult and deity - that is so spiritually amusing.

By the way how did we set up at Southampton to keep a clean sheet? Why have we conceded 20 at home and only 9 away?
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You are quality mate and an english lesson thrown in
 
Saint Domingo said:
I stand by the above. It's a combination of both factors. I only bothered to look up who we'd played away from home when you kept going on about it. Wasn't surprising to see a smaller number of games against poorer sides.

We do play on the counter more away from home though, and we are defensively more suspect at home when we try to take the game to the opposition.

If you want to go and tell Roberto to play counterattack every game then his defensive record probably would improve. But then we wouldn't be the entertainers would we?
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Thanks. So Martinez does have a clue about how to set a team up defensively.
 
We aren't half frustrating aren't we? So exciting going forward. Barkley, Del and Lukaku in full flight is a joy to watch, Lennon's pace and Cleverly has a cracking long ball on him (see goal today and Lukaku's 2nd against Stoke).

And then at the back we can't stop these moments of madness. Fair enough, Spurs' goal today was very good, although we should have seen it coming since they scored the exact same goal against West Brom. Stones tried his best to tie himself in knots and Mori struggled to clear his lines at times, but he did improve in the second half.

We are getting close to a great team, it's just not quite there. We're 6 points better off now than at this point last season, which doesn't sound too much but would put us on course to finish with about 60 points. Not the best, but enough for a 7th/8th placed finish the last 5 seasons. It's not as bad as some are making out, but not as good as others...
 

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