Roberto Martinez discussion

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

We need a defensive coach ffs

 

[dannyboy]

Bits and pieces but nothing of huge significance. The individual mistakes are what hurt us. And the issue is with selecting other players is that perhaps they aren't as good and as such the errors are more the norm than the anomaly as it is with the senior pros.

I think Martinez dropped the ball with that pre season, it wasn't good enough and that's definitely played its part in the start we've made.

The second half at Leicester was painful to watch and their goal was almost inevitable, he waited until 81 minutes to make a change that day, for me he should've been more proactive.

Arsenal was two goals given away in the last 10 minutes, more could have been done to see out that result. Sacrifice the free flowing football and get the win.

Chelsea was unfortunate in the sense we gave away 2 goals in the opening few minutes, but if you concede 6 at home it goes beyond individual mistakes, you've got to look at the overall set up of the team from a defensive point of view.

 

[dannyboy]

I'm not saying there is no blame, but Martinez is not to blame for Howard's mare today. Just as he's not to 'blame' for Howard's worldie vs Wolfsburg.

Yeah, I get that. Players have bad games, it's part and parcel of football, but there's a worrying trend of us leaking goals here.

It's wishful thinking that it's all simply down to individual mistakes.

 

[Kiwi]

I think Martinez dropped the ball with that pre season, it wasn't good enough and that's definitely played its part in the start we've made.

The second half at Leicester was painful to watch and their goal was almost inevitable, he waited until 81 minutes to make a change that day, for me he should've been more proactive.

Arsenal was two goals given away in the last 10 minutes, more could have been done to see out that result. Sacrifice the free flowing football and get the win.

Chelsea was unfortunate in the sense we gave away 2 goals in the opening few minutes, but if you concede 6 at home it goes beyond individual mistakes, you've got to look at the overall set up of the team from a defensive point of view.

Agreed that we should have done more at Arsenal and perhaps Leicester to an extent. Chelsea was to be expected really, that with us chasing the game and throwing the kitchen sink at them we were far more open at the back than we usually would have been and as such they exposed us. But individual mistakes still had a pretty big part to play in that game as well.

 

[mikel_88]

Has to make the defence his priority we need another cb and a rb, also didnt understand why he didnt move atsu to the left hand side looked totally one footed and struggled on the right

 

[johnstones]

Its almost as though last year we had the perfect blend of the Martinez style with the Moyes style, Flair and grit. Whereas this season its all flair and this is costing us with mistakes. Ok fair enough the mistakes today weren't really down to our style as such but Everton conceding 13 goals in 5 games? thats very strange and I cant remember it happening for a long long time.

 

[Christiffa25]

We need a defensive coach ffs

I don't agree. It's part of the course of playing the way we now do.

Chelsea are conceding more playing attacking football, infact all teams seem to.

The difference is Mourinho CAN if I wishes change at any given time thru subs or tactics and shut up shop. Not by defending for there lives but just a different approach which 9/10 is calm and efficient. Roberto either doesn't want to do this or hasn't learnt tactically how and when to do it.

 

[Axlswhk]

For those who are not aware, wigan got relegated because they fail to address their season long individual defensive mistake at the back.

I'm not saying we'll get relegated, but the similarity is frightening.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I don't agree. It's part of the course of playing the way we now do.

Chelsea are conceding more playing attacking football, infact all teams seem to.

The difference is Mourinho CAN if I wishes change at any given time thru subs or tactics and shut up shop. Not by defending for there lives but just a different approach which 9/10 is calm and efficient. Roberto either doesn't want to do this or hasn't learnt tactically how and when to do it.

Yon don't need to be a defensive side to employ a specialist defensive coach and actually drill the back line ffs

 

[Socrates]

I think the whole debacle could have been avoided if we had a proper right back playing.

I would rather have Hibbert at right back than Stones. I take it he was injured.

He might not offer anything going forward but he'd know how to nullify Bolasie and he would have hoofed the ball into the stands than allow that penalty to have been conceded.

The 3rd goal was a repeat of the 2nd Leicester goal. No right back there to cover.

People were right in the summer when they were saying we needed right back cover. Its coming back to bite us an the arse right now.

As for those worried about the next 2 games, their defences ain't any better than ours and our strike force is looking pretty potent right now.

 

[EverBlue86]

What's annoying is that with stones at CB we don't look too bad, it's the pair of clowns jags and distin. I said all summer distin would fall away this year he looks a yard behind pace and age for me has caught upto him. I think from this jags is cocking up and theirs no trust between the 2.

Problem is like has been said soon as coleman is rested or injured stones is shoe horned into RB and the pair of clowns go back to CB

 

[davek]

So you would have rested howard for this and jags,for chels then, as mistakes from those lost the games.

Dont be daft dave, today howard had his s'land game, ossie showed again he isnt a centre mid, simple as

I'm looking at the season as a whole. If people can't see we haven't been at the races and we're leaking like a sieve then good look to them. We can rotate or stick with a settled team: it's looking like no difference to me. It's all built on sand.

 

[Dymak]

I think our style of play, in which players are expected to make strange, risky passes in defensive areas has contributed to our very poor start to the season. Not only does it put us under a lot of unnecessary pressure, I also think it often slows us down, and allows the opposition to regroup into their defensive positions. Clubs like Palace who want two lines of four behind the ball love our ineffective over-passing in defensive areas.

 

[bicycleheader]

For those who are not aware, wigan got relegated because they fail to address their season long individual defensive mistake at the back.

I'm not saying we'll get relegated, but the similarity is frightening.

Their fans would say they got relegated due to their defense being decimated with injuries, no?

this thread is stupid, and so are some of our fans

 

[Christiffa25]

Yon don't need to be a defensive side to employ a specialist defensive coach and actually drill the back line ffs

What so you don't think we have a defensive coach or do any defensive training? I find that very hard to believe.

Wigans best defender was alcaraz who was injured most the season. It can't really be compared as like for like.

It's still only a few games into the season. Last season the defence was fine. I'm still happy to give RM the benefit of the doubt currently that a bit of poor early season form, some unlucky goals, silly individual mistakes have all contributed to our current predicament and it will no doubt improve.

However that doesn't alter my opinion that in the summer a defender should of been signed. Whether that a RB cover or a class left sided CB. But IMO we just simply ran out of money.