Roberto Martinez discussion

[ianefc]

Ian, we've shown we can go toe to toe with Spurs, Man City and Chelsea and are disappointed with the results, we should have won today and also beat city by more in the cup game.

We arent far off. Perhaps your frustration is because you can also see how close we are?

More experience for the young lads, a couple more players to come in and a lot to depart and were nicely setup for next season.

The next 2 seasons are where we will shine, @davek has also said similar and thinks a cup win and 8th is fine this season i think?

At the start of the season i would have settled for.top 10 and the team developing + top 6 next year and top 4 the year after....i think weve done well with Galloway and Besic and can see what we are building...

Have some patience...

I promise I'll have patience if you can guarentee our best players will have some

 

[Dexter]

Hahaha. This is the kind of absolute horse sh** you have to deal with with in here.

We are mid table and have a bad defencive record in the league, how is that horse crap

 

[balggy]

I just want to add that I think that some of you need to be a bit realistic about all of this "building a team for next year". There seems to be an acceptance to go through the pain because when this team gains the necessary maturity, the draws will become wins and we will be genuine top four contenders.

My issue with that, is that I can't see our golden generation sticking around for another season. Stones and Lukaku want to play at the highest level. If Stones had gotten his way he would have been gone in the summer. Lukaku is currently breaking all kind of records and must be one of the most sought after strikers in Europe.

I get the feeling that many of the players bought into Martinez's plan for this season. But can I see them giving him another year if Champions League clubs come calling? no.

I think that we may keep Barkley but I highly doubt that Lukaku and Stones will be Everton players next season. Liverpool and Tottenham would really struggle to keep hold of them to, never mind a team that is on course to finish 11th for the second consecutive season.

I am sure that we will be adequately compensated. But for me, those loyal to Martinez (I would review the managerial situation in the summer), will have a ready made excuse for next season. "We would be boss if the board hadn't sold the players".

Everton don't do mass exits. In the past, one big name has left in the summer. But for the life of me, I don't see Lukaku and Stones staying in the summer.

So forgive me if I see this season as being a real opportunity missed to challenge for the top four rather than being a valuable development process. City, Utd or Arsenal may be the ones to benefit from our development process.

 

[BernieWright13]

I understand well enough: ref gets two massive judgement calls wrong and Everton are denied the win. Maybe you have a different take on it and Martinez ran on the pitch and scored an own goal?

See my last suggestion

 

[ijjysmith]

We're going to need to score 5 every game to win a match with this attitude!

We want to be a brave team and win games by not running the clock down or playing with aspects that aren't what we want to be.

Sorry to use his quote here again but it feels like he's searching for a perfection that doesn't exist. Like he want to win 6-0 nearly every time. He sounds naive so it's no wonder our team is too.

 

[Kendall's Dream]

well they are fuming more about the overall pattern of losing points due to conceding too many goals and losing leads. I think its fair game for some moaning all things considered.

I am fully behind the manager, but I dont think its unfair for people to be complaining about the manager and our defending even if the final equalising goal shouldve been ruled out.

One thing I do see is people just generally complaining again about closing out games as if there was a failing in the tactics there. I think we were generally okay, kept a good shape in defense throughout. I'd like somebody to advise why they would think that game in particular was Martinez fault.

I think overall our biggest failing was holding on to the ball. We were very sloppy with the ball, with Ross and Besic quite poor in that aspect IMO and this killed us in a game where that Chelsea team should have been dominated by us.

They looked a bit tired really.

People will forget we played the best team in the league away from home 3 days ago

 

[davek]

Defensive frailty at 0-2. Defensively poor all season and he hasn't changed it.

We've had too many 2-2, 3-3, 2-3, 3-4 results. Attacking wise I have next to no complaints. But my word are we poor defensively.

Come on mate...you CANNOT legislate for some nobhead ref throwing a point to Chelsea.

That's not getting laid at the manager's door as far as I'm concerned. I'll leave that to the manager's haters.

 

[VentureBrosEFC]

I am being impartial. We gave up one really bad goal. One should never have counted and the other was a massive deflection. Sure we could have done better in the build up, but it was a well worked shot, and they got a lucky deflection.

Fair enough agree to disagree if that's your honest assessment but I feel like you're not taking all things into consideration. I'm very upset as well about having two points taken off us by the referee but that's not the only storyline to the game as it's a cumulative effect over the whole of it.

 

[Titus Bramble]

I promise I'll have patience if you can guarentee our best players will have some

Done!

Disclaimer: this is not a guarantee

 

[Kev The Rat]

No, my expectation was cup run plus 60+ points. Half right at the moment and we'll see what happens by May with the other half.

I cant say fairer than that can I?

Mate you are well of the pace in terms of the league points.

A battering at the hands of city (not beyond the realms of possibility) and your prediction will make you look a laughing stock.

 

[Elong]

We are mid table and have a bad defencive record in the league, how is that horse crap

Because nowhere have I said I'm accepting of "mediocrity" yet it was the first line you trotted out.

 

[bicycleheader]

And then I could come back and say he made positive substitutions which worked as we got back in front and showed what such a good team we are to get a very good win. Which, but for some appalling refereeing, I can't say.

also true, but doesnt invalidate the complaint about throwing away another lead

 

[Khalekan]

I tell you what mate, if you sat through the dire football served up by the rubbish Everton managers who preceded Martinez you'd cherish everyone of these performances.

As said earlier: the dust will settle and people will accept we were mugged by corrupt officialdom again....which is EXACTLY what happened here. Sorry if that's an inconvenient truth for some, but a truth it is.

This is another thing that gets me, Dave.

The way some of these guys go on about wanting winning football even if it is dull suggests twenty or thirty years of title and trophy laden seasons where the winning was all that counted.

That they had been raised on such a diet.

And I could accept that argument wholeheartedly if the current Keystone Coppery, sublime fantasy football and sheer unpredictability of our current team wax indeed following on from such a fertile trophy garden.

But it is thirty years almost since we were Champions.

Twenty years and change since we won a trophy.

For the most if that time we have been crap.

In fact, who am I kidding Dave?

In 45 years of going the match it has been mostly unsuccessful seasons.

Most of it spent in or around mid table.

Interspersed with the odd good cup run like in 1977 or 1995 or 2009.

And of course three or four magical years in the mid 80s.

Like most Evertonians my lifelong love affair has mostly been seen out in nondescriptery.

Dull league campaigns......dull results.....dull football.

And I am here to tell you and any other bugger who us interested that if we are to bump along in mid table then far better to play football the way Bobby plays it rather than the Walter Smith way.....or the Billy Bingham way....of the Colin Harvey way.....or the second two comings of Howard way.

Dave, as you must sometimes despair of repeating to the Doubting Thomases on here......we are almost there.

The last four games we have remained unbeaten against City twice, Spurs and now Chelsea.

And as we all know, the ref robbed us today.

Wembley here we come

Viva Les Entertainers

 

[davek]

Lol

What did you expect we'd get?

 

[Eggs]

I am being impartial. We gave up one really bad goal. One should never have counted and the other was a massive deflection. Sure we could have done better in the build up, but it was a well worked shot, and they got a lucky deflection.

...I think you have to look in the context of a number of games this season. The number of goals we've conceded when in dominant positions can't be down to bad luck. I know it's frustrating but we have really good players.