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Roberto Martinez discussion

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@Khalekan @davek

Phenomenal posts there chaps and nicely summed up.

I cant understand how a long term fan can be upset with the side or manager we have.

If they are impatient then surely they would prefer to watch us now than moyes teams?

If they are new fans then what do they expect?

I think its out of frustration that they see top class individuals mostly signed and developed by martinez of course and sinply look at the table...they cant seem to see the bigger picture.

why do you think that is? So negative with a positive manager yet positive with a negative manager.
 
Zatara said:
@Khalekan @davek

Phenomenal posts there chaps and nicely summed up.

I cant understand how a long term fan can be upset with the side or manager we have.

If they are impatient then surely they would prefer to watch us now than moyes teams?

If they are new fans then what do they expect?

I think its out of frustration that they see top class individuals mostly signed and developed by martinez of course and sinply look at the table...they cant seem to see the bigger picture.

why do you think that is? So negative with a positive manager yet positive with a negative manager.
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4 points from Chelsea mate...obviously not good enough.

Pulis maybe worth a shout?

Lol.
 

davek said:
Yes, but it was the goal at the death that's the issue: how can the point not stand thereafter that we got ahead and saw out the time added on?

In what sense is that in any way the fault of a manager.
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No, it's 1 issue. The aforementioned defensive display is also an issue.

One that Roberto hasn't sorted all season.
 
davek said:
If it stays like this and United win tomorrow they're 7 points off Leicester and TWO points off 4th!!

Lol.
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United are almost in the same identity crisis as we are. Can't score, then when they free up, they're bad at the back.

More chance the RS get a win
 
sheedys left foot said:
May have been posted already but it's these kind of face palm comments that wreck my bulb

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I love it.

Hes educating them, no fear.

We are taking the short term hits but in the long run we will benefit with the players having the experience.

Couple.more signings and we look like O'learys leeds team or even similar to Man Utd under SAF in terms of entertainment.

At 2-0 top teams like chelsea can come back...those two teams i mention above attacked in waves and destroyed teams...they didnt go all negative to protect leads...

The best teams are those that keep trying to score.
 
You can't blame Martinez for Howard actually coming off his line, for the first time ever, and that first goal happening, nor can you blame him for that massive deflection, and outrageously, you can't blame him for the referee being a bias arsewipe, and allowing that extra time and the subsequent offside goal.

You can however blame him for trying to sit back on the lead, that's ridiculous, and we showed against City that we got massively lucky by doing that and playing Howard, he played great against City, did well first half and finally looked confident... Then that happened. His confidence and the defences was shot and that was that... Vulnerable, and we got punished.

It's a hard one to take this, the train is very sombre.
 
davek said:
There's a cultural overhang from the previous Moyes era. No question in my mind about that. A generation of people have been conned into believing direct football (more especially the variety that doesn't hang around at the back) is the norm for us. It isn't. There's a process of re-education going on and some are resistant to it.

Moyes stoked the crowd's impatience and kow-towed to it. He was a coward of a manger who couldn't or wouldn't attempt to bring Everton into the 21st century as a football outfit. It's left to Martinez to now do all the heavy lifting on that score, and he and his players are getting it in the neck from some 'agricultural' elements in the support.
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You talk some absolute BULLSHIT when you say that Moyes was a coward. He may not of been able to provide the attacking flare that we see today, but that was due to the limited resources that were available to him. You are entitled to your opinion, but don't make yourself look like a spoilt brat when expressing it.
 

vagant59 said:
You talk some absolute BULLSHIT when you say that Moyes was a coward. He may not of been able to provide the attacking flare that we see today, but that was due to the limited resources that were available to him. You are entitled to your opinion, but don't make yourself look like a spoilt brat when expressing it.
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Oh my days !
 
vagant59 said:
You talk some absolute BULLSHIT when you say that Moyes was a coward. He may not of been able to provide the attacking flare that we see today, but that was due to the limited resources that were available to him. You are entitled to your opinion, but don't make yourself look like a spoilt brat when expressing it.
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Errrrr ... It wasn't down to resources more so his choice of player to buy and how he wanted them to play.
 
banno said:
At the moment not really any worse off than anytime over the last 20 odd years but if you look very carefully you will see that he is getting young players in for our future and building a good solid foundation built on football (as a team of Evertons stature have to do because we lack finances). Yes the results are frustrating at the moment but anyone can see that our performance is almost there and the building process is continuing very nicely albeit slowly. Sound footing we have now and we go from there. Now if we get taken over and money is available we might even be able to fast track it but at the moment a patient build up is happening.
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I get all that mate, genuinely I do, ALL of it. I may not sound it at times but, y'know, I see what he's trying to do...

But it's his absolute inability to address recurring issues that I just can't fathom nor, TBH, forgive. Y'know, people bang on about the HOWARD scenario...but he was addressing this last year, so he said, at exactly this time it was an issue. And it remains so, over 12 months on...my reason for mention is that he doesn't seem to learn by any of this. The defensive frailty is appalling at times...yet collectively it's a fantastic group of, for the most, INTERNATIONAL defenders...who are playing to instruction.

I worked for a period with a boss set of WIGAN lads, kept in touch with a few who basically said this is what happens with him: he's ace, he's fluent, his ideas are sound yet...yet he won't sacrifice what he believes in for the sake of defending WELL because he believes SO much in the ethic of attacking football. And it just can't be like that in the PREM, he has to marry both up....can he? I dunno...

Think it was actually Dave K who made a comment along the lines of 'he'll go down in history here' (RM). I hope so man, genuinely I hope he does but for the right reasons and not for being the manager who had a FANTASTIC squad at his disposal and managed to do nothing with it...

I hate EVERTON sometimes. Pffff...
 
Zatara said:
The best teams are those that keep trying to score.
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Correct and incorrect at the same time.

The best teams know how defend and when to break on the counter to score more.

Ferguson would never sacrifice a 2 goal lead for more goals.

Managers who chase goals do at the cost of results, ask Brendan Rogers and the palace game, disregarded the basic need to kill a game off and it cost him a potential title.

That's the biggest issue that he needs to address, when do you attack and when you don't
 

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