Roberto Martinez discussion

[mkrudden]

Don't forget Steve McLaren and Mark Hughes.

After an evening of quiet reflection, I have come to the conclusion that people on here are completely demented. We were a couple of seconds away from Martinez receiving effusive praise and, were it not for a ghost minute and a Ray Charles running the sidelines, he would have received it.

When did we accrue such an army of self loathers? Yes, there are times when we let teams back into a game when we shouldn't and shoot ourselves in the foot, but that match yesterday was defined a ludicrous moment of terrible officiating and nothing else. Yes, we let Chelsea back into it at 2-0 up, I was also surprised to see last years champions launch a spirited fightback at home, but we did what we had to and got what should have been a winning goal and properly defended an offside goal in time that should never have been allotted. But hey, let's lay into our players and Martinez.

We played great last night, very proud of the lads.

Absolutely, 100%, this.

 

[TheHumbleEgg]

...and they only did it because our steams heads were all ver the place with the news of Kendall.

There is no team in this league better than Everton. Head to head we can match all of them.

That's fabulous.

 

[BernieWright13]

Every game is a cup match. It's great to watch for the uncommitted. We have become "the entertainers".

Whilst giving everyone a good laugh too

 

[kiss the crest]

Tragic lack of patience. I want us to be a top team, of course I do. I know how Martinez want to achieve that and I'm supporting his plan - Everton will be a team based on a young players and play a specific style of football. That's unique combination and take years to perfect it, especialy with such a young manager. Players will come and go, manager and his system will stay for years. And that's the recipe for a success.

What's yours then mate? Change manager every year after we didn't get Europe? That's ambitious and stupid.

Totally agree with this.

Martinez is building a very young exciting team, that plays toe to toe with any team, we just need to be patient and give the man time

We are all frustrated because we were robbed of a deserved victory against the current champions in their own back yard

 

[BernieWright13]

There have been many wasted years at this club, spanning across multiple managers

I think people forget we are Everton, we under achieve simply because we are never really good enough

Oh. That's alright then.

 

[toffeejack]

We really need a stronger mentality though to not let one result early on ruin our entire season. Roberto said it was the same last year after we drew to Leicester and Arsenal at the start of the season from winning positions.

too true, it's one of the reasons howard keeps his place imo. It's not howard the man, it's howard the age and experience. we have a lot of youngsters in our team. It's not totally drained us for confidence like last season other wise we wouldn't be in a league cup semi final with a lead at the halfway stage, we don't play like a team out of confidence or out of form, even if looking at the results you'd say we're in a massive slump.

Anyway, looking at the tables and fixtures, we're still only 2 wins away from 5th and we have already got city, chelsea and spurs out of the way. we have plenty of three pointer home games that we need to cash in on. Just need to better what we've done earlier in the season.

 

[neil999]

Jeez the split in our fanbase...

 

[Pacman]

A question to those how believe in the manager, would him failing to win a trophy this year convince you he's not the man for the job? (going off our league form).

I have noticed the biggest support for him behind the attacking play is that he has us in the semi final (similiar to how our performances in the Europa League was used to back him whilst we were poor in the league last season).

What I will say is that if he gets past city I firmly believe his 2 choices of opponents could either win him or completely lose him the fanbase, a loss against the kopites in a cup final or our new plucky Shaqiri stealing rivals Stoke would cause untold amounts of fume from the fanbase, likewise I win over either (especially the kopites) would win over most I would imagine.

 

[dannyboy]

we also never once got in a position under moyes where we actually went two goals up away at any of the sky 4. The rosicky goal was the only time in 11 years (44 games) we actually came close to winning. The fact we remember beckford giving us the lead at anfield speaks volumes.

Playing Chelsea is a free for all this year, they're not in the top team bracket.

Martinez has done nothing to change our record against the big teams anyway, and tbh nor would I expect him to. Better teams in winning games shocker. It was mad that it was ever used to chastise Moyes anyway.

 

[toffeejack]

Can't argue against us being better to watch than with Moyes. The frustration is that I think the addition of a decent defensive coach could sort it out. If Martinez doesn't address this then it has to be on him.

totally. isn't that what denis lawrence is there for? Lovely lovely guy, but his career never went past league 1. Obviously that's nothing to beat him with because, well look at alex ferguson. But he was defending against league 1 quality strikers for his career, not players like aguero and costa.

A top class commanding keeper would see us so much better off as well.

 

[Lanolin]

we would be what villa are now in about 4 or 5 years time. possibly sooner with our owners. he'd make one or two overpriced crazy signings and we'd be getting relegated.

people who all want martinez out, do they seriously think we'd be able to attract players like lukaku and find deulofeu without him? his positives vastly outweigh his negatives. stop thinking short term.

I've seen this a lot recently and I just don't understand the logic of it at all. Do I think another manager could have attracted lukaku? Of course they could. He was on his way to sign for steve Clarke before we got in touch so I don't think he was that fussed on the quality of his boss. He came to us because we were best of the rest, the best option available to him. If we don't improve we'll struggle to attract those players in future because we'll no longer be best of the rest.

 

[polish]

Lol. Come back when you've had 40 years+ watching everton kid

What's your point then? I'm watching Everton for nearly 15 years and we're playing the best football I've seen.

Yes, there are pros and cons of Roberto's tenure, but he's still learning his trade and I don't demand perfection from him. He's making mistakes but he showed a lot of promise and he has a plan for this club. For me that continuity is by far more important than an isolated moment of "glory" like 5th place.

 

[loooweee]

most of this pressure on martinez and everton to do well comes from the fact we all think our best players are off next summer...so whats the point worrying about it, lets enjoy the boss football and get behind the team, that city game was evidence we really are the 12th man and that can help the team offensively and defensively

 

[dannyboy]

Tragic lack of patience. I want us to be a top team, of course I do. I know how Martinez want to achieve that and I'm supporting his plan - Everton will be a team based on a young players and play a specific style of football. That's unique combination and take years to perfect it, especialy with such a young manager. Players will come and go, manager and his system will stay for years. And that's the recipe for a success.

What's yours then mate? Change manager every year after we didn't get Europe? That's ambitious and stupid.

Hypothetically if we get to this time next year in the position we are now, do you retain your patience?

 

[TheHumbleEgg]

2015/16: 32 goals conceded in 22 league games (7th most goals conceded - 1.46/game)
2014/15: 50 goals conceded in 38 league games (11th most goals conceded - 1.32/game)
2013/14: 39 goals conceded in 38 league games (18th most goals conceded - 1.03/game)

Compared to Moyes years:

2012/13: 40 goals conceded in 38 league games (17th most goals conceded - 1.05/game)
2011/12: 40 goals conceded in 38 league games (18th most goals conceded - 1.05/game)
2010/11: 45 goals conceded in 38 league games (14th most goals conceded - 1.18/game)

Yes, we are going backwards as regards to our defending.

Wonder what the WIGAN defensive stats were under the BOBBLE? Hmmmm...

*There's a pattern isn't there...