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The bookies obviously saw who was appointed the referee and put 1+1 together.
It won't, the players will look at the bigger picture hence why quality players like Delefeou (who had lots of offers from bigger clubs than Everton) and Mori (who Valencia and Villarreal wanted) signed last summer. Bobby and working with him is a big drawer imo.
I reckon all our players will stay next year bar Stones, he'll go cause we'll want to sell him to get the money to spend.
Cultured right foot
Fuleco multi
I understand Martinez blaming the officials after the match to protect his players.
But, I hope he gave non of this "We won the game on Saturday" BS on Monday at training. Yes it was offside but ultimately the players only have themselves to blame for not defending properly again in the closing stages of a match.
But, I hope he gave non of this "We won the game on Saturday" BS on Monday at training. Yes it was offside but ultimately the players only have themselves to blame for not defending properly again in the closing stages of a match.
Little Ralphy
Player Valuation: £15m
I honestly hope you are right but I just can’t see it. A players career is short, and timing is everything. You have a very romanticised view of professional football to be fair.
Lukaku is already showing signs of frustration at throwing away points, he is highly motivated and ambitious, I’d be amazed if he stays. This season has been good to him, and if he has a decent Euro’s no way he stays. He’s never made any secret of what he wants. If we got top 4 I could see him having a decision to make but without top 4 he’ll go for sure. It’ll just be a question of how much and to where, but clubs are always looking for strikers and he’d easily get in most sides. We could argue Everton can say no and keep him but in reality it’ll be his decision.
Stones will be the same, timing is everything and his stock is high right now. Another season finishing 11th and people will start asking questions of him, especially given the amount of goals we concede. Same if he were to get injured next season, he may have to wait another year. This Summer is his ideal time for leaving in terms of the deal he will get.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Martinez had already agreed with Lukaku and Stones that they could go if we don’t get top 4, in a bid to keep them happy last Summer. It’s interesting he’s been mentioning top 4 recently when we are so far away from it and can’t even put back to back wins together.
Deulofeu stalled at Sevilla, and he’d done quite well at Everton before, so it was an easy decision for him to get his career back on track. He knew what he was coming in to so knew he could be a success here. I think he will likely stay beyond the Summer personally.
Everyone wants to win trophies but the Champions League is where these players want to be, especially good players, and 11th placed finishes don’t suggest a Champion League place is around the corner, regardless if you win a national cup or not.
Stanley Parker
Player Valuation: £15m
The players kept their discipline and the defence held their line well.
Terry only scored because he was beyond it and offside.
Roberto thinks we played well enough to win - and he is right.
Titus Bramble
Best centre half to grace the Premier League
Yes absolutely, I'm all for good reasoned debate where people are civil. A few pages ago @TheHumbleEgg was having a discussion with someone (I'm on my phone, sorry can't remember who!) and they didn't necessarily agree, but both could see the good and bad points being pointed out by eachother and it was a good read.
What does my head in are the people who refuse to accept anyone who challenges their view (I'm talking both pro and anti Martinez here) which just descends into repetitive and boring point scoring which becomes very tedious very quickly.
Shout out to @ianefc who always has reasoned points to make, even if the people who call him out are less than reasonable.
I agree with everything else you've put there mate
Has Roberto come out and said we lost the City game yet?
By his logic we clearly lost. A pen that should have been and a lot of poor play and desperate defending.
By his logic we clearly lost. A pen that should have been and a lot of poor play and desperate defending.
Sorry if that came across like a rant at you, that wasn't the intention. It's the same thing that annoys me, people assuming they're right and shouting down others. I've just noticed that a lot of people are accusing those who are concerned about Martinez of not being patient enough or not 'seeing the bigger picture'; I'm aware that patience is required but I am concerned that I won't like what's awaiting me at the end.
Cultured right foot
Fuleco multi
Terry scored because we lost 3 headers on the bounce which isn't good enough.
Martinez should be concentrating on that.
Stanley Parker
Player Valuation: £15m
You're concentrating on a single moment of the game when, overall, the team performed well both in attack and defence.
They may have lost three headers in a row, but they still kept their line and did enough to prevent Terry from scoring within the rules.
That raises two points;
What can Martinez do to prevent them from losing three headers in a row? Shout at them a little more loudly, perhaps?
What can the Premier League do to see that the rules of the game are observed?
But that's the point isn't it? Martinez (and you) are only looking at a single point of the game, and deciding that we should have won because the final goal was offside. Nevermind that we'd conceded two other entirely legal and preventable goals, or that we'd wasted good opportunities to score more, or that we'd carelessly given the ball away while attempting to hold on to a lead, or that after senior players told us just a month ago that we knew we'd over celebrated at Bournemouth and not kept our focus we did exactly the same thing again.
Martinez didn't make the offside call, and he didn't lose the headers in the lead up, can he blamed for us not winning? It seems you think not. Conversely, he didn't cross the ball for Terry to put in to his own net, or crash a half volley on the turn past a world class keeper - further to that, he didn't even sign the players who did. So am i to assume he deserves no credit for the positive aspects of our play?
Excellent post. Endless patience is the master of those with no ambition
Well we have lost 1 of the best number 10s in World Football today.
Lets see how we cope without his talent.
Lets see how we cope without his talent.
"Zombies"? Come on mate.
Pro-Martinez and anti-Martinez, both these groups are doing EXACTLY the same thing that used to happen between the pro and anti Kenwright in the old board thread - "BK is killing the club, look at the quality of the Tarmac in the car park that's why Moutinho never signed what's your favourite drink mine's bitter", or "Bill is wonderful" - always ended up in neither side giving an inch and no compromise could be found.
Same here with Martinez.
For me the issue as we've said before is that in this day and age, everyone has access to a platform for their opinion. He's the first manager that has (attempts on) seemingly weekly polls on his fitness to manage - how many hoops does the fella have to jump through? Is he to be ridiculed if he misses a target, and never mind about any positive points? I can't really see the case for blaming Martinez for Byram, the lad clearly wanted to go down south, but if you're against Martinez that's another one to chalk up for the anti people.
I understand people will have their opinions, but just like the old board thread, neither side will budge - in that debate you were very much anti, with this one very much pro.
I have to agree with @The Esk though, some positivity wouldn't go amis lads. We're in a semi final of the LC, still in the FA Cup and may yet move up the league.
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