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Roberto Martinez discussion
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Even in my own brain, I'm having a hard time coming to terms with how I feel about Martinez. He's done a fantastic job of assembling a squad with lots of talent, and getting young players filled with massive potential. But that squad still includes a goalkeeper who is completely undeserving of a job as a Premier League footballer, never mind being the #1. And that's all on Martinez.
He's also managing a team that looks like it should be threatening the top four, but instead isn't even capable of putting together two good games in a row. The football looks good, in terms of approach, but the results don't match it.
On the other hand, I'm always a big believer that more responsibility for poor play needs to fall on the shoulders of the players on the field, and not the manager. Yes, a manager should try to motivate, instill confidence, teach a team to concentrate, etc. But these are professionals that get paid a boatload of money. They shouldn't need someone else to motivate them and convince them to play up to their potential.
My biggest fear is that Martinez won't get this turned around in time to see what could be accomplished with the collective talent as they continue to mature, and eventually Lukaku, Stones, Barkley and Deulofeu will be sold, leaving us all to wonder what might have been.
He's also managing a team that looks like it should be threatening the top four, but instead isn't even capable of putting together two good games in a row. The football looks good, in terms of approach, but the results don't match it.
On the other hand, I'm always a big believer that more responsibility for poor play needs to fall on the shoulders of the players on the field, and not the manager. Yes, a manager should try to motivate, instill confidence, teach a team to concentrate, etc. But these are professionals that get paid a boatload of money. They shouldn't need someone else to motivate them and convince them to play up to their potential.
My biggest fear is that Martinez won't get this turned around in time to see what could be accomplished with the collective talent as they continue to mature, and eventually Lukaku, Stones, Barkley and Deulofeu will be sold, leaving us all to wonder what might have been.
moyes cardy
Player Valuation: £6m
Hard reading...moyes was 42%.
WarringtonBlue
Player Valuation: £8m
L loris is better than Howard
Alderwereld and vertonghen are better than stones or jags
Walker is a bit.below coleman
Dembele is better than McCarthy
Eriksen is better than Barkley
Lamela is equal to mirallas
Kane is equal to or just below lukaku
I'd say they're better mate. No question.
Off topic.
And your point being in relation to the Martinez discussion? Which is on topic. Please clarify why you are mentioning me in relation to davek?
By god I'm blue
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As I said earlier, Villa got to the FA cup final last season, however their steady decline has eventually caught up with them. We are going exactly the same way and the league cup will not change that.
ianefc
Player Valuation: £70m
Because he's much better at defending Martinez than you.
moyes cardy
Player Valuation: £6m
It does build momentum and in fairness to Villa our squad is a lot better. It was the league cup that pushed us forward in 84 - this group has the same potential.
chopper6
Player Valuation: £8m
He's been sussed out. Has done for a long time. Teams know how to best us.
My dads a scout for a premier league club, mentioned this in past. Was talking to him earlier and friends of his from within the game all say the same thing.
No plan B, wants to play total football, won't consider another style of play. Doesn't exactly fill me with any confidence that he'll turn this round
My dads a scout for a premier league club, mentioned this in past. Was talking to him earlier and friends of his from within the game all say the same thing.
No plan B, wants to play total football, won't consider another style of play. Doesn't exactly fill me with any confidence that he'll turn this round
DClay
Player Valuation: £225k
I agree that Martinez deserves his fair share of criticism this (and last) season. But you need to also look at the players after a game like today- not enough effort, missed chances, sloppy back passes, no urgency in the first half at all. Martinez can't put the ball in the net when Coleman, Lukaku, Barkley (even if offside) are missing chances from inside 5 yards.
I have typed and deleted many responses to this which were lighthearted, but actually, I demand we win the European Cup lol
Unfortunately I don't think Roberto is the man to deliver, at least not at the rate his teams leak goals.
We're ace attackers but for me we give the ball away too cheaply - does the blame for individual errors lie at his door? Without inside knowledge of his training and coaching regimes it's difficult for us to judge. Anyone here work in Finch Farm? Does he come in laughing or does he know he's got a job on his hands to get us back up there? I await the onslaught of FF wind ups (to threadban, like).
I'm sure his motives are good. Remember two years ago when we all creamed our jeans over him saying he appreciated our history after 11 years of Moyes FC? But is he able to execute his plans effectively? He may be, but his lack of ability to learn from mistakes is certainly alarming - or is it stubbornness?
He perseveres with Starjump Timmy, but in truth, is the way the team is set up going to give any goalkeeper nightmares?
I guess, until Wednesday at least, I'll stick with "hmm"....
moyes cardy
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3rd highest scorers - hardly sussed out!
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Well if our players are so much better, explain the 3 wins since September then. Some of you need to wake up I think, we are not very good at winning football matches, which is kind of the objective of the game.
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