Roberto Martinez discussion

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Watching the presser for Carlisle he kind of swayed me a bit, he looked confident in his facial expressions and the way he spoke that we would turn this around and good things will come soon enough. I really want it to work out with him in charge, because he's a genuine nice, down to earth bloke. The way he mentioned he will "give his life" to making Everton successful again I kind of want to give him more time. 'Give me patience and I'll give you success'.

But how much longer can we wait?
 

MichaelEFC96 said:
Watching the presser for Carlisle he kind of swayed me a bit, he looked confident in his facial expressions and the way he spoke that we would turn this around and good things will come soon enough. I really want it to work out with him in charge, because he's a genuine nice, down to earth bloke. The way he mentioned he will "give his life" to making Everton successful again I kind of want to give him more time. 'Give me patience and I'll give you success'.

But how much longer can we wait?
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But patience would suggest he has a plan to get out of this mess, when in reality we could be waiting indefinitely seeing as his plan will more than likely involve playing the same way we do now.
 
Stanley Parker said:
Martinez might regress too, to 2013/14.

In his first season, he introduced Barry and McCarthy and showed us how to defend better than Moyes,

2012/13 6 Everton 38 16 15 7 55 40 +15 63 Moyes
2013/14 5 Everton 38 21 09 8 61 39 +22 72 Martinez
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orly said:
2007/2008 UC 5 Everton 38 19 8 11 55 33 +22 65

No mate
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Referee! That was offside! They weren't the same players! Play on! Oh, very well.

Martinez took the defenders he inherited from Moyes - the great defensive expert, we are told - and actually reduced the number of goals conceded!

Then there was 2004/05, when we finished fourth but with a goal difference of -1;

2004/05 4 Everton 38 18 7 13 45 46 −1 61

At least we are scoring more than we concede.
 

bluestevon said:
Honestly mate, the answer is no.

Was the squad last season better than his first, yup, is the squad this season better than last - again it is. Is that being reflected with the teams 'improvement' - nope, the team if anything is regressing in terms of results.

You for example could put Moyes in charge of Barcelona and eventually they would play dour and defensive minded football and they would start to regress, you could put Martinez in charge of Barca and they would attack without a thought to pressing the opponent or defence and they would start to regress.

Right at this minute Martinez has a defence comprised of 3 England Internationals - Stones, Jagielka and Baines, and Argentinian international - Mori, A Republic of Ireland international - Coleman, all of whom are highly rated, he has a young highly touted player in Galloway in addition. and collectively they can't defend to save their lives, they are protected by two holding midfielders in Barry and McCarthy who are both highly rated and praised as quality players, and still we can't defend to save our lives.

You could put Martinez in charge of any team in this league and within 2-3 seasons they would start to ship 50-60+ goals a season. We need to stop trying to kid ourselves that this is some form of long term project and when it clicks we will be winning every game 5-0 with 100% possession, we can't defend under Martinez, arguably he has never had a team able to defend - was gifted his one defensively good season by the fortune of following Moyes regime, people have quoted the job he did managing to keep Wigan up for a few years, ultimately the way he did that by playing attacking footy isn't sustainable for any degree of success without a strong defensive foundation and long and the short of it we hired a manager who FAILED at Wigan.

Their are many managers out their that could do a better job than he can do from this point onward
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Yep, all that...

...and at risk of repeating myself AGAIN (soz) there are apologists who cite RM as relatively new manager who is 'learning'. I say again, he has NINE years managerial experience.

And the same mistakes repeat ergo I'm pretty confident he is NEVER gonna change his game.
 
MichaelEFC96 said:
Watching the presser for Carlisle he kind of swayed me a bit, he looked confident in his facial expressions and the way he spoke that we would turn this around and good things will come soon enough. I really want it to work out with him in charge, because he's a genuine nice, down to earth bloke. The way he mentioned he will "give his life" to making Everton successful again I kind of want to give him more time. 'Give me patience and I'll give you success'.

But how much longer can we wait?
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Just another pathetic statement about him giving his life,the bloke is nuts.
The more i listen to his mumblings the more i think he is insane.
He needs to shut it and do his job because 1 win in 11 with these players is criminal
 
BlueToff said:
I'm viewing it from a totally defensive point mate that I think shows we have at least showed signs of being able to concede less/not concede.

However, I agree that the results haven't been good enough.

That potentially stems from this thing that we have where it is almost like 'one or the other'. We defended well vs Spurs, but presented barely any threat until Besic came on.

With the City game (away in the league), we at least got at them in the first half and Hart had to pull off some very good saves, but we couldn't match that in the second half.

But when it all clicks which it has done a few times this season, we're a joy to watch and solid (e.g Sotton, Chelsea)

I think that's where my hope stems from that we can get it together. If the performances such as the ones I've mentioned above weren't present - that we'd only scraped 3-2 victories etc. or the perfromances had been like last season where we were slow going forward and stiull shaky at the back, then I would be more inclined to agree with the majority I think.

But I believe that we can get it together - like we've shown we can this term at times.
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Unfortunately, if you cast your mind back you may remember Wigan were also known periodically for some great football
 

Stanley Parker said:
Martinez might regress too, to 2013/14

In his first season, he introduced Barry and McCarthy and showed us how to defend better than Moyes,

2012/13 6 Everton 38 16 15 7 55 40 +15 63 Moyes
2013/14 5 Everton 38 21 09 8 61 39 +22 72 Martinez
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And what's happened since 2013/14? Martinez' stats have started to resemble the years of management he showed at Wigan. The stat you refer to above is an anomaly in an otherwise awful defensive record. I don't think it is a coincidence that this anomaly took place just after Moyes left.
 
Stanley Parker said:
Referee! That was offside! They weren't the same players! Play on! Oh, very well.

Martinez took the defenders he inherited from Moyes - the great defensive expert, we are told - and actually reduced the number of goals conceded!

Then there was 2004/05, when we finished fourth but with a goal difference of -1;

2004/05 4 Everton 38 18 7 13 45 46 −1 61

At least we are scoring more than we concede.
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Strange how we're not winning games
 
MoutsGoat said:
Are you really claiming 1 goal, in a 38 game season as a victory?

The cult are actually spent here, done.

Somebody throw in the towel.
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