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Roberto Martinez discussion

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Ihaters said:
We are definitely improving, not even close to the make out Dave, but we are improving, growing and playing better. Its good to see, but it has to yield significantly better results than we have seen so far imo.
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4 wins out of the last five games; one goal conceded in those five games; 8 goals conceded in the last 12 games.

Good stats for any team; excellent stats for a team that's had confidence issues at the back.

I think it's fair to say we have a solid back four and a half decent GK, and if we keep playing those five and dont drop any of them because the manager tries to pacify sour faces on the bench, then we'll win a lot more games than we lose or draw between now and the season's end.
 
davek said:
4 wins out of the last five games; one goal conceded in those five games; 8 goals conceded in the last 12 games.

Good stats for any team; excellent stats for a team that's had confidence issues at the back.

I think it's fair to say we have a solid back four and a half decent GK, and if we keep playing those five and dont drop any of them because the manager tries to pacify sour faces on the bench, then we'll win a lot more games than we lose or draw between now and the season's end.
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Difficult to argue with this..
 
daz4matty said:
Wait till the end of the season my friend.
If we finish in the top6/7 i will burn my plotters flag but if we finish in the bottom 7 i will expect to see you on our side
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The reality suggests we will struggle to secure a top 7 place IMO, which really would be an utter joke with this group of players.

Defensive solidity, consistent results and a real go at winning the cup are my requirements from now till May.

The signs are good, last season Robles came in and stamped a claim, he was dropped at the first chance, Galloway also came in at 1 point and looked a player, he was dropped for Baines at the first chance, the last few weeks we have seen Robles retain a place, Oviedo and Mori have all been given a chance and taken it and retained them.

Its subtle changes that suggest hes starting to be aware of whats needed.

He still talks utter tosh in every interview and really should keep his mouth firmly shut.

But sadly the battle for this season is over.

Battle lines were drawn and Martinez marched The Cult over the top where to be frank, they met with little Plotter resistance, they scattered like the knee jerking Mark Hughes Cultists they are.

A few have wondered out and braved the Atomic winter, but they are damaged and its unlikely they will ever be able to enter a battlefield with the mental state this long battle has left them with.

Clean your weapons and prepare your pie charts, we resume again in May.

Peace is now declared.
 

MoutsGoat said:
The reality suggests we will struggle to secure a top 7 place IMO, which really would be an utter joke with this group of players.

Defensive solidity, consistent results and a real go at winning the cup are my requirements from now till May.

The signs are good, last season Robles came in and stamped a claim, he was dropped at the first chance, Galloway also came in at 1 point and looked a player, he was dropped for Baines at the first chance, the last few weeks we have seen Robles retain a place, Oviedo and Mori have all been given a chance and taken it and retained them.

Its subtle changes that suggest hes starting to be aware of whats needed.

He still talks utter tosh in every interview and really should keep his mouth firmly shut.

But sadly the battle for this season is over.

Battle lines were drawn and Martinez marched The Cult over the top where to be frank, they met with little Plotter resistance, they scattered like the knee jerking Mark Hughes Cultists they are.

A few have wondered out and braved the Atomic winter, but they are damaged and its unlikely they will ever be able to enter a battlefield with the mental state this long battle has left them with.

Clean your weapons and prepare your pie charts, we resume again in May.

Peace is now declared.
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Agree with this assessment.

It's over.
 
Elong said:
You're basically France. Downtrodden, beaten up on both sides and raped and pillaged by all. Poor Goat.
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I liken us to Soviet Russia.

At 1 point it looked pretty grim, but we held our ground, took our chance when it came and finally pushed through for the vital victory.

Martinez is our Stalin.

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We never once accepted defeat, we are not France.

I mean I could liken The Plotters to Hitler and Nazi Germany, but that would be childish and uncalled for in this Peaceful time.
 

nsno-chris said:
Imagine a season when 4 home wins going into March is considered progress.

Imagine a season when Stoke, West Brom, Swansea have all taken 3 points at goodison and it's considered progress

Imagine a season when you've conceded the most home goals in Europe's top divisions and it's considered progress

Progress, newly defined by some on here
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I suggest your not quite aware what the word progress means.

Allow me to teach you.

progress

[noun prog-res, -ruh s or, esp. British, proh-gres; verb pruh-gres]

a movement toward a goal or to a further or higher stage:

5 games, 1 goal against, 11 goals for.

the development of an individual or society in a direction considered more beneficial than and superior to the previous level.
 
MoutsGoat said:
I suggest your not quite aware what the word progress means.

Allow me to teach you.

progress

[noun prog-res, -ruh s or, esp. British, proh-gres; verb pruh-gres]

a movement toward a goal or to a further or higher stage:

5 games, 1 goal against, 11 goals for.

the development of an individual or society in a direction considered more beneficial than and superior to the previous level.
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4 wins at home all season

Boss progress
 
davek said:
4 wins out of the last five games; one goal conceded in those five games; 8 goals conceded in the last 12 games.

Good stats for any team; excellent stats for a team that's had confidence issues at the back.
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Remind me - how many games are there in a season?

How many seasons has El Fraudo had so far?

Yep. Five games is a valid sample size. Of course it is.

If Martinez CONTINUES this improved display, then more people will start to believe that he is directly responsible and deserves the credit. I will be one of them. However, if the overall trend from the Martinez era continues then we will see more dismal draws and insipid losses than we are prepared to accept, and the majority on here will continue to be disgruntled. It's entirely within Roberto's own power and I hope that he DOES continue to oversee improved results.

The derby and the Cup are key points now - he needs to win at least one, AND see us move up into 8th or better in the league. And if we're talking about the Cup, a "win" involves getting to the final, scoring more goals than the opposition and walking home with the trophy. None of this "impressive cup run" blarney.
 

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