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Roberto Martinez discussion

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Geri HIT
The Clev HIT
Holgate ??????
LRod ??????
Mori HIT
Lennon HIT
Foulds ??????
Tarahahshshjai ??????
Niase ??????
Barry HIT
Robles HIT
Escape MISS
Jamo HIT
Utter Aids MISS MISS MISS
Stanek ?????
Kone MISS MISS MISS
Besic HIT HIT HIT
Lukaku HIT
Galloway HIT
Eto'o MISS
Traore MISS
Atsu MISS

10 HITS
6 MISSES
6 ??????
Says a lot about my opinion of Kone that after seeing his name two lines below Utter Aids I was about to pull you up on using him as two misses.
 
Wasn't Alcaraz free as well?

Please don't tell me we paid a fee for him.

He was free, but he was utter rubbish, I only said The Clev was free cos Orly demands more from the fella, ive never said The Clev is an amazing player, hes a good utility squad player that we paid nothing for, so I consider him a hit, Escape from was utter rubbish bar 1 game when he looked decent, plus he cost us big time in Kiev, so hes defo a MISS.
 
He was free, but he was utter rubbish, I only said The Clev was free cos Orly demands more from the fella, ive never said The Clev is an amazing player, hes a good utility squad player that we paid nothing for, so I consider him a hit, Escape from was utter rubbish bar 1 game when he looked decent, plus he cost us big time in Kiev, so hes defo a MISS.

I demand something, anything from him. More would suggest there is a starting point somewhere.

Very poor MISS from El Fraudo
 

He was free, but he was utter rubbish, I only said The Clev was free cos Orly demands more from the fella, ive never said The Clev is an amazing player, hes a good utility squad player that we paid nothing for, so I consider him a hit, Escape from was utter rubbish bar 1 game when he looked decent, plus he cost us big time in Kiev, so hes defo a MISS.
Fair do's.
 
Geri HIT
The Clev HIT
Holgate ??????
LRod ??????
Mori HIT
Lennon HIT
Foulds ??????
Tarahahshshjai ??????
Niase ??????
Barry HIT
Robles HIT
Escape MISS
Jamo HIT
Utter Aids MISS MISS MISS
Stanek ?????
Kone MISS MISS MISS
Besic HIT HIT HIT
Lukaku HIT
Galloway HIT
Eto'o MISS
Traore MISS
Atsu MISS

10 HITS
6 MISSES
6 ??????

Disagree on cleverly and while robles is better than tim I would have him as ????? For a few games yet. That's 8 to 7 for me. 50% ish hit rate
 

I respect your view and, as one of them, I agree that Everton fans are long suffering. I remember the days before Oxford U. That said, like Southall, I'm just trying to tell it as I see it. There is the obvious debate about Martinez in or out. But it feels like there's more going on, like changes norms about what it is to be a fan, and that are part of this. I used to hear over and over that three years is the time a manager gets to show what he can do, to build a team that is undeniably his, with his own philosophy. And if the ups and downs on the graph don't form an overall upward trend, then fair enough.
But the 'get the Spanish clown out' started, at the latest, in Jan of his second season. To me, you don't have to be a Martinez fan to wonder about how some people get to fume mode so quickly and with so little patience. And that maybe, as with the crowd at Goodison for the last 6-12 months, it just becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Not so much supporting as demanding that one's will comes to pass.

Sorry for the lateness of my reply MB.

Definitely right regarding he was getting flack 2nd season from January onwards but that will happen if you have a couple of months of abject performances and results as was the case at the time.

Results matter, a lot and the person in the firing line whether it be football or business is the manager.

It's not just about the here and now, and it's not kneejerk ( not accusing you of saying some fans are ) if there's a section of the fanbase who want him gone. For every good thing he does, he has something not so good.

He will definitely be here until seasons end and that will be 3 years and if he is here next season well it will be a massive year for him, in fact not even year just the start of the season and the first 5-10 games.
 

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