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Roberto Martinez discussion

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Ashtonian said:
1) Yes Mancini is an average manager

2) Houlier is not a great manager. Too inconsistent success and convenient success at convenient clubs that failed to follow up after he left.

3) I never said USA were spreading ebola once :) I said it was caused by something like that, a lab accident, an experiment etc didn't say who it was.

4) Didn't say daglish was a better manager. Kendall on a whole was better for building teams and not inheriting/buying them as daglish did.

5) Money didnt play that big of a part when the game consisted of pig skin balls, kicking lumps out of each other, playing on with injuries etc Sure signing the best players still worked out but it is not like real madrid vs stoke here. it was a much more even playing field where the best team won the league through earning it.
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http://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/t...-africa-as-a-bio-weapon-testing-ground.71490/

Second post. You say the following

To a certain extent i agree they have/are
 
jackyboy said:
Did anyone else not think Deulofeu was that great? Is it it just because it's McGeady and Atsu that people are wishing him back?
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He was getting better and better until he did his hammy near Christmas and he never got his form back. He was very frustrating thereafter I thought.
 
Titus Bramble said:
He was getting better and better until he did his hammy near Christmas and he never got his form back. He was very frustrating thereafter I thought.
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Miles above any other 'options' that we currently have at our disposal, although I agree he might have struggled to nail down a starting spot.
 

ijjysmith said:
He was but always offered a threat. Something we could do with now, even if it was only to allow others to get their game back.
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Thing is our game is now acknowledged to be too slow and ponderous

And for whatever faults Gerard may have had, slow and ponderous were not 2 of them.

With the ball at his feet he would have looked to fly up the field not knock it sideways or backwards
 
Kev The Rat said:
Thing is our game is now acknowledged to be too slow and ponderous

And for whatever faults Gerard may have had, slow and ponderous were not 2 of them.

With the ball at his feet he would have looked to fly up the field not knock it sideways or backwards
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Most of the reason for that is the players we have IMO

With Coleman/Baines/Kev/Barkley/Eto/Lukaku and McGeady we really should be smashing teams on the counter, We don't though
 

jackyboy said:
Did anyone else not think Deulofeu was that great? Is it it just because it's McGeady and Atsu that people are wishing him back?
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I loved him and would have been made up to see him come back.

He was frustrating, yeah, but at 20 years old was capable of taking apart any defence at a moment's notice.

The hamstring injury wrecked his season, and if it hadn't happened I think Everton could have finished above Arsenal.
 
As for Martinez, there's no reason not to still be 100% behind him at this point.

I don't like how he's been trying to shoehorn Lukaku, Eto'o and Barkley into the same side lately (it'd be even worse if Naismith was fit), but I'm sure results will put a stop to it sooner rather than later. The system relies massively on having someone like Barkley to carry the ball at pace, and now that he's approaching full fitness I expect to see him starting behind whoever the form striker is.

Replacing Pienaar has to be the priority in January, as despite what some absolute balloons say about him, he's been one of Everton's most important players of recent years and his regular absences are creating huge problems.
 
Del said:
Most of the reason for that is the players we have IMO

With Coleman/Baines/Kev/Barkley/Eto/Lukaku and McGeady we really should be smashing teams on the counter, We don't though
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I find it very frustrating that our players and setup is perfect for counter attacking football (as shown in Europe recently), yet we seem insistent on playing a slow paced probing, keep ball game in the League. We could, and should be in a far better position than we are currently occupying.
 
jackyboy said:
Did anyone else not think Deulofeu was that great? Is it it just because it's McGeady and Atsu that people are wishing him back?
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Yes, he was that great.

He wasn't consistent nor did he play all that often for us....but by Jove when he was on a going day he was the amalgam of the player every one of us ever dreamed of having at our club.

The way he ran at the RS when he came on as sub....the dart into the Old Trafford penalty box which instigated the move for Oviedo's goal...the sparkling display and superb goal against Stoke....and of course the highlight of his time with EFC, the sublimity of the goal at Arsenal.

Alas, it was all over for Gerald and Everton by the middle of December as he never shone so brightly after his injury, but he did make a very telling contribution for Ross's wonder goal at the Barcodes. He won the ball on the edge of our box to send Wavertree's finest on his way.

He lit up that golden period we had around this time last year, when between the Goodison derby and Ossie's back pass on Boxing Day we were playing the best football in the country.

I think one of the reasons we are all so down at the moment despite the team not doing all that badly in the league and Europe having proven to be a happy hunting ground thus far is that we know what might have been if he was still around.

And FWIW there is no doubt in my mind we would have gone on to claim a CL spot last season happen Gerald hadn't sustained that injury against Fulham.
 

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