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Roberto Martinez discussion

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I can't remember a match in which the whole team looks in decent shape after 75 minutes, every match at least half the players are knackered and I don't know why because they do nothing off the ball. Even against Villa half of them were gasping for Oxygen.
 
His post match comments are cringe worthy. The media and other fans are laughing at us now! Suggesting Kev didn't deserve a card for diving and cheating, almost blaming the missed penalty for our downfall like any other team would have suffered the same fate as us in that situation. We were 2 goals up ffs. We shouldn't need to score 3 goals a game to win! Bobby has lost the plot and needs rid of as soon as possible.
 
He was doing so well too. For 75 minutes, everything he had done was perfect.

Starting lineup, excellent. Tinkerings to get to half-time after the red card was good. Half-time sub was bang on. Should have been 3 or 4 up and coasting to what would have been an impressive win.

I don't even really want to hammer him too much for the sub, innefectual as it turned out being. But the fact that this is the most mentally fragile Everton team I can remember seeing has to be on him to a large extent. There is no belief in this team, no fortitude. Which is ever so frustrating because there is simply crazy amounts of talent - both of the goals today were classy as hell, and the whole performance was perfect until the first little hurdle, at which point everyone's heads went.

Of course, lots of that is down to on field leadership too. But a manager simply needs to be able inspire a mentally sufficient performance from his players. I don't think today was a tactical failing, but it was yet another massive failure of belief. If the players don't really believe, and the manager can't change that, then we're in a lengthy holding pattern here.
 
Whilst imo RM has failed massively in achieving with potentially the best squad of players we have for many a year, the supporters must also take responsibility for the way they have done FA about where we are now. If RM was at any other big club, would he still be manager. Answer…no. Why, because the supporters kick off….and change things, we don’t, we just accept. So we get what we get.

no, the Supporters kick off, the Board eventually panic the Manager is replaced they spend a shedload of money revamping the squad which gets them nowhere. They get one year honeymoon, one year of moaning then the cycle starts again.

Utterly pointless, changing manager gives as much opportunity to go backwards as it does to go forwards and it costs ten on millions every time you do it.

The only way it to break the cycle, build from the ground up, ride out the inconsistencies and hopefully gradually improve.
 
I would take David Moyes back over Martinez right now

For all his faults, he bought Cahill, Stones, rarely had money, we were defensively solid and just a tad frustrating. But he got us to 4th and an FA Cup final.

He wanted Lukaku among others. He had to persist with past-it players like Saha out of necessity. He did not suit Man Utd and Sir Alex and Man Utd got that all wrong.

Moyes or Mourinho but something has to change surely.

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I liked Moyes for most of his time at Everton and think some of his critics are harsh on him. But there is no way I would have him back! He declined as a manager, became negative, lost his passion and imo betrayed the club with his comments during his pursuit of Baines and Fellaini. There really is no way back for him as a manager of Everton. People really need to stop suggesting him as an alternative to Martinez.
 

I liked Moyes for most of his time at Everton and think some of his critics are harsh on him. But there is no way I would have him back! He declined as a manager, became negative, lost his passion and imo betrayed the club with his comments during his pursuit of Baines and Fellaini. There really is no way back for him as a manager of Everton. People really need to stop suggesting him as an alternative to Martinez.

I have a theory he was trying to give his true love everton as much money as possible without making it too obvious. i mean £27.5m on Fellaini?
 
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Yeah he's doing great isn't he...
 
Whilst imo RM has failed massively in achieving with potentially the best squad of players we have for many a year, the supporters must also take responsibility for the way they have done FA about where we are now.

Well the atmosphere has been hostile at Goodison for a long time. Surely the job of the Chairman is to consider whether the manager should keep his job when he loses large portions of the fans support regularly.
 
I liked Moyes for most of his time at Everton and think some of his critics are harsh on him. But there is no way I would have him back! He declined as a manager, became negative, lost his passion and imo betrayed the club with his comments during his pursuit of Baines and Fellaini. There really is no way back for him as a manager of Everton. People really need to stop suggesting him as an alternative to Martinez.

Saved the club in my opinion and I will always be grateful to him for that but we've moved on and should be aspiring to much more.
 

no, the Supporters kick off, the Board eventually panic the Manager is replaced they spend a shedload of money revamping the squad which gets them nowhere. They get one year honeymoon, one year of moaning then the cycle starts again.

Utterly pointless, changing manager gives as much opportunity to go backwards as it does to go forwards and it costs ten on millions every time you do it.

The only way it to break the cycle, build from the ground up, ride out the inconsistencies and hopefully gradually improve.
No, sorry, sometimes in life you have got to take a risk. At EFC we have this cosy protective thing going on. whilst sometimes that is needed, that time has well past. Time to take a risk,
 
No, sorry, sometimes in life you have got to take a risk. At EFC we have this cosy protective thing going on. whilst sometimes that is needed, that time has well past. Time to take a risk,
aye, because that ALWAYS ends well.

Stability and continued slow growth is always the best way. Not being trapped in a cycle of tearing up the plan/squad every 2 years. If it doesn't work for City/Chelsea and Man Utd when they have hundreds of millions to spend every summer on the best players how does it work further down the food chain? Consistency is what's needed not random change just for the sake of it.
 

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