So we are playing a style of play that doesn't suit the players we have call me crazy but I thought it was a mangers job to find a style to get the best of what he has, not some squad he may have in the future.
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McBain
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Abertonian
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I really hope you're right.
Zatara
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Or we could have brought Moyes back last summer and given him carte blanche to sign and sell players and finished top 4-6 again.
Ranieri has done well at leicester. Look at what he did in Greece.
The Poch is a funny one. The spurs fans were calling for his head a year ago just like you are doing with Martinez and he had far better players to begin with.
If we had Lloris this season we would be top 6 now.
SpurtingLesbian
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I don't think anyone is saying it's not an underachievement because it is.
But Bobby has sorted out a grinding aging side, filled the squad with some really good young talent, got us scoring freely and is now finally getting around to sorting us out at the back. I still can't understand how a team with probably 3 out of England's first choice back four for the Euros can fail to do the basics. There has been an improvement at the back (mainly through bringing Joel in and McCarthy coming back), we're looking a lot more solid at corners and actually scoring from them at the other end. It's all stuff they will have been working on since just before Christmas, I can see an improvement if you can't.
There's just no way you can expect the opposition at this level not to have chances and pressure when you're down to ten men for an hour, and that was the problem today
Saint Domingo
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One game I might believe you, but you come out with the same things after every single loss. A whole host of reasons why not to blame the manager. Yet, after any win, it's Martinez this Martinez that. What a job he has, he must be laughing every single day, the only job in the prem where he gets credit for wins and the players/ref/crowd get blamed for losses. As manager of this team he owns all the results good or bad. For the past 20 months they've been diabolical in the league.
Zatara
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Same as working in a company mate. You buy a company in China for example and try and change the culture into more of a Western style (Moyes to Martinez chalk and cheese).
It doesnt happen overnight and you will need to replace older workers and those who dont want to change.
It all takes time and a lot of luck...and a long term vision to be successful.
It's a nice sunday morning here and I haven't read any of the fume/antifume stuff at all
Some points in no order;
Your man doesn't do him self any favours does he?
In 100 or so games, we've played 2 up front how many times? Although Niasse wasn't sent on to play 2 up, it's what essentially happened...but with 10 men
On the ten men; We started with ten men and we finished with ten men, Does this put to bed the Stones in midfield thing?...but it shouldn't of mattered
Mirallas is a total Idiot
The Reff is a total Idiot
Martinez ...no; it's just notes and points, not condemnation, it's well past that.
After the 3-6 Chelsea thing a guy on a Chelsea site said...Martinez has pretty much coached all the Moyes out of that team, what little that might be left has slipped away.
Even when he scores, does Lukaku inspire confidence as a penalty taker??
So, like in the old days when picture houses showed the main feature film; in what was nearly an endless loop, you would say...This is where I(we) came in.
There might be some debate as to when this looped film 'The Martinez Project' started; going back to Ossie and Howard on Boxing day 2013
But the fact remains...This is were we came in.
Some points in no order;
Your man doesn't do him self any favours does he?
In 100 or so games, we've played 2 up front how many times? Although Niasse wasn't sent on to play 2 up, it's what essentially happened...but with 10 men
On the ten men; We started with ten men and we finished with ten men, Does this put to bed the Stones in midfield thing?...but it shouldn't of mattered
Mirallas is a total Idiot
The Reff is a total Idiot
Martinez ...no; it's just notes and points, not condemnation, it's well past that.
After the 3-6 Chelsea thing a guy on a Chelsea site said...Martinez has pretty much coached all the Moyes out of that team, what little that might be left has slipped away.
Even when he scores, does Lukaku inspire confidence as a penalty taker??
So, like in the old days when picture houses showed the main feature film; in what was nearly an endless loop, you would say...This is where I(we) came in.
There might be some debate as to when this looped film 'The Martinez Project' started; going back to Ossie and Howard on Boxing day 2013
But the fact remains...This is were we came in.
where is your evidence that Lennon was 'tiring badly'? I was at the game and neither I nor the hundreds of people around me could see that. The posts I've seen on here and Twitter etc suggest that very few people felt he was really struggling. I assume you were there? You must have had a better view.
If he really was tired (again) I think it remains martinez's fault for failing to ensure a 28 year old at the peak of his career appears incapable of playing 90 minutes of football a week.
We lose games week in week out, and the manager seems incapable of preventing it. To me, it's clear he's incompetent, but unfortinately some people always seem to have an excuse.
Zatara
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No thats wrong. We have been poor at HOME.
If you cant see the massive changes hes made with the long term in mind in not sure you ever will and probably be totallt shocked when things click next season.
And yes i can say the same things each time as its a long term vision.
Even Bilic admitted he would have lost 3 or 4-0 if the pen went in. Where would you be then? On here praising Martinez tactical masterclass or whinging at something.
Heck when we won against villa and even when we were 3 up people complained.
the table doesn't lie
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Saint Domingo
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I'm not saying there hasn't been an improvement, but after almost 3 seasons you're talking about things like being solid at corners, finally making some correct selection issues. These are managerial basics that shouldn't take 2 and a bit years to figure out. In terms of improvement we've gone from really poor form to just ok form (in the league). The points tally is still not great. I'm not interested in talking about an individual game because the level of pedantry it brings out is unbearable. There's been a myriad of excuses after every single loss this season, none of them are 'one ifs' 'one of those days' because they've happened multiple times. What you don't get on here after wins are people going 'You can't credit Martinez for that, it was Lukaku scoring those goals, individual brilliance, favourable refereeing' it just doesn't happen. Some fans might be ok with waiting for Martinez to learn how to be a top manager, I have a feeling it will be the longest lesson ever because he's an extremely slow learner. In the meantime we're passing up opportunities for champions league qualification and even this season a crack st the title.
Zatara
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Martinez said it.
Did you not think Lennon looked shattered after all his runninf around? Who can do that much running for 90mins?
What are your views on poster boy mirallas getting a game today + Mori not heading clear and Coleman out of position?
Zatara
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Who would you replace him with for the LONG TERM and to grow a dynasty from the ground up. In the same way he wants to turn us into Barca who would you like to emulate?
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