Have heart Goat, you never know yet
Martinez will deservedly be held under more scrutiny next season though
We need to avoid going all RAWK over this and leaping between extremes on either side of the debate
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Have heart Goat, you never know yet
Martinez will deservedly be held under more scrutiny next season though
We need to avoid going all RAWK over this and leaping between extremes on either side of the debate
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
That has to be the goal, yes. If Martinez gets 22 attempts to do it (which is what Moyes got) I'm sure he'll get us a domestic cup.
Good point actually
Moyes left Martinez a solid base to build from
I don't think anyone could deny that
Barkley, Coleman, Mirallas, Baines, Stones etc
RM is developing his own team rather than continuing to manage a David Moyes team. We will have to wait and see how that works out for him.
Next season we need to see progress. We need to be able to see where his vision is taking us. We need to see that given time he can make us into a top four side or at least in a position where we fighting every year for that fourth place.
David Moyes was shown great patience at Everton by the board and fans alike. He did very well at Everton but had probably taken us as far as he could and certainly had gone stale in the last season or two. but he did turn us into a team that would nearly always be top eight or better. I think the way David Moyes had his team playing football that it probably never would be better than that.
RM is trying to do things in a different way and that is a risk for him and the club.
Next season we need to see progress. We need to be able to see where his vision is taking us. We need to see that given time he can make us into a top four side or at least in a position where we fighting every year for that fourth place.
David Moyes was shown great patience at Everton by the board and fans alike. He did very well at Everton but had probably taken us as far as he could and certainly had gone stale in the last season or two. but he did turn us into a team that would nearly always be top eight or better. I think the way David Moyes had his team playing football that it probably never would be better than that.
RM is trying to do things in a different way and that is a risk for him and the club.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
...let's just say that, unlike the humiliated ex Man Utd chief who crashed the English champions into a wall, Martinez knew how to use all the players properly.
Funny cos I recall seeing our 2 best players sitting on the bench week in, week out, Besic and Mirallas.
And that wall that Moyes crashed United into, just remind everybody who dragged United into 4th this season? Yep, thats right, Fellaini, a player bought by? Yep, you guessed it, David Moyes.
DanEFC92
Player Valuation: £90m
Like dropping Robles for Howard? Playing Alcaraz instead of Stones in a must win game? Playing Barry in every game, despite him being in horrendous form? etc etc
Of course not chum
You're as blue as the veins in Michael Douglas's legs!
I'm just saying we should avoid RAWK styled hysteria
Balance is the key
Just call him a Spanish clown Mikey, be on the right side of this war.
Before its to late.
I mean, even critising the manager with some invites you to the pitch forks and torches
We're all supposed to accept that David Moyes was crap and everything Martinez does is brilliant and that he's amazing and beyond reproach etc
I'm sorry, but that's just not going to work for me
When Martinez is deserving of praise, he shall get it
When he's deserving of critiscm, he shall get it
It's almost cultish the way some of the Pro Martinez brigade are
We all have a laugh at mod's shutting down threads on RAWK and people getting chased out of town for daring to criticise Brendan Rogers, but we've got a fair few on here who are the same way with Martinez (Not any of the mods thankfully, but certainly some posters will not allow any debate about Martinez whatsoever and are very quick to play the "you're a terrible and disloyal supporter" card if you have the temerity to suggest that maybe not everything Martinez does is fantastic)
We're all supposed to accept that David Moyes was crap and everything Martinez does is brilliant and that he's amazing and beyond reproach etc
I'm sorry, but that's just not going to work for me
When Martinez is deserving of praise, he shall get it
When he's deserving of critiscm, he shall get it
It's almost cultish the way some of the Pro Martinez brigade are
We all have a laugh at mod's shutting down threads on RAWK and people getting chased out of town for daring to criticise Brendan Rogers, but we've got a fair few on here who are the same way with Martinez (Not any of the mods thankfully, but certainly some posters will not allow any debate about Martinez whatsoever and are very quick to play the "you're a terrible and disloyal supporter" card if you have the temerity to suggest that maybe not everything Martinez does is fantastic)
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
...yes, but that squad had more of his own players. The point brought up earlier by Goat was that season one was with Moyes' players.
More of his own players?
Are you actually insane?
Howard, Baines, Coleman, Distin, Jags, Mirallas, Osman, Pienaar, Naismith.
Ok DAVE
Ihaters
Player Valuation: £35m
4th
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
4th in a three horse race that season.
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